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is it me or are we getting ALOT of new members? to all the new guys. WELCOME!   . congradulations on youre new hobby/obsession. the saiga 12 is an awsome shotgun, and with a little work can be one of the most reliable shotguns you own. but... please....do us all a favor

DO A SEARCH BEFORE STARTING THREADS.

heres some common ones

failure to feed
failure to eject (most common)
opening gas ports.


DONT GET ME WRONG. im glad you all are here, its a great community with TONS of information.
but repeating that information on a weekly basis gets tedious.
all the info you could ever want is on this forum. its just a quick search away.

i personally learned everything i needed to know for my saiga, by simply doing a quick search of the info at hand.

also when a member who has been here awhile, gives you a link to the info, then tells you do do a search. dont jump down his throat, he gave you what you needed. he just gave you more info about the search feature (yeoldetool you know what im talking about)
again im thrilled at all the new members, and youve all come to the right place.
but please help us help you, by first taking some initiative and doing a quick search.

also to some of the senior members, lets have a little patience. i know it gets to be a PITA. but we need to remeber we where all new members once too.


i am now done with my rant enjoy!

So I was watching the news & an Anti-Gun group was holding a gun turn in where they were giving $50.00 gift certificates for those who wanted to dispose of "unwanted" guns...

So Pauly had an idea.



Six dollars for foam board, a marker & one big stick later & I was in business.  

An hour & $150.00 later  I had;




One is a Remington Side by side 12-gage that's destine to be a coach gun     & one is a 9 shot JC-higgins .22 revolver.

It was like saving dogs from the needle by adopting them from the pound.

When I showed up there were a bunch of other libertarians who had the same idea & we had a blast.
One guy scored a Hungarian PA-63, 870's were going for $100.00, long-guns galore too.

Most people attending were there for political reasons, but many were just getting rid of unwanted firearms.

It was a hell of a lot of fun & the mayor was pissed.
There was NO police harassment, being as most police really are pro-firearms & face to face sales are legal here.  
As we were saying among ourselves, a criminal would have to have some real big balls to stand in front of 10 cops & the mayor with a big sign offering cash for guns.    

There was one annoying anti-gunner who was trying to block our efforts but he was easily silenced.
When he kept sticking around at first, an old Korean war vet engaged him in a debate off to the side & that tied him up for a while.
People who argue their feelings against logic will always fail, but they always try to fight for a while.
When he came back around, I thanked him profusely for holding such a great gun sale & he got pissed & left.


This is hands down the most fun I've had all year!

Thank you anti-gunners! Your Ghetto-Gunshow was the best sale I've been to in years!!!!  

The joys of living in today's world...

I was laying on the couch with my girlfriend watching Dr Who with the window open, when I hear a struggle and a woman screaming "Help me!!"

The tiny elderly mother of one of my neighbors was being attacked by a 250+lb woman in her underware. The crazy attacker was covered in blood, and slamming the old womans head into the sidewalk in front of my apt. I grabbed my .380 and ran out the front door, drew, and announced "Freeze or I will shoot you" When the attacking woman (who will be referred to as "Big Crazy") saw me come out of the door she stopped and rolled off the victim, looking like she would come towards me... I told her to get on the ground and stay still until the cops got there... she came at me slowly trying to escape... I didn't shoot, because she wasn't posing an imminent threat to me.. but when she came too close I spun her to the ground and held her at gunpoint until the cops showed up...

...at which point I acknowledged the officers, their drawn weapons, and placed mine on the ground before they even got theirs out of their holsters.

Being well liked by the neighbors helps! The crowd that was around announced loudly that I had saved the elderly woman, while I was being cuffed face down in my yard.

From my face down perspective, Big Crazy took 2 tazer shots without a blink. The first time she pulled the probes out of her chest like swatting a fly. The next time she just sat down... it took two good sized cops point tazing her to get the keys and knife out of her hand and get her cuffed.

They gave me wet-naps to get the blood off me after they let me go. Melinda (My GF) is now pondering how best to launder the bloodstains out of my shirt.

Hmmmm... Yeah...

So a question was asked last year

  So, what did YOU do with your original butt stock?

One of the responses from a Grumpy Old Bastard was

  Legs for a coffee table?    

http://forum.saiga-1...__1#entry729251

After cleaning off the pollen from the porch we had this old wicker table that needed to die



As a replacement, the stocks from a S12, .223, .308 and 7.62x39 were combined with some PVC pipe, pipe caps, old table top from dump, piece of plexiglass, stickers from dogfight ink and some paint.







Pretty sure it is 922r compliant as it only has four foreign made products.

So what do you think GOB?

He tried that bullshit with me.  Claimed his Tromix FCG had a bad hammer and the disconector spring broke.  I sent him a new hammer and spring.  Then he claimed he didn't get the spring and not only the hammer was bad, but so was the trigger.  Then he tells me that he doesn't have the bad parts, since they were all shit, he just threw them all out.

He was trying to scam me for an entire FCG.
His name is now on the Tromix Black List.
Below are the e-mails.

Tony Rumore
Tromix Corp

From: Eric Underwood [mailto:underwoodammo@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:11 AM
To: rumore@tromix.com
Subject: issue with product

Hello my name is Eric and I recently purchased a Tromix Saiga 12 Fire Control Group from a local dealer.  I am in the market for about 5 since I have a lot of saiga's (mine and friends) to convert.  I bought one to see how it would work out, as I have heard so many great things about your products.  I had two issues with this product, as I'm hoping it was just a bad batch seeing as I need more.  1st the disconnecter spring broke, very easly (way to easy for a disconnecter spring.  2nd the hammer looked like It was sanded down, and a shitty job at that as well.  No smooth surface and just didn't look good/right.  I tried to take it back to guy I bought it from and he said sales are final and to contact you.  I really need 5 more but am questioning purchasing more because of my bad experience.  Not sure what I can do from here but any assistance would be appreciated.  Thanks


Eric,

Give me your address and I will send you a new hammer and spring.
That’s just the standard warranty for all Tromix products.

Tony Rumore
Tromix Corp


From: Eric Underwood [mailto:underwoodammo@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:36 PM
To: Tony Rumore
Subject: Re: issue with product

Thank you Tony I do appreciate it. My address is as follows:
Eric Underwood
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Ave
Caldwell, ID 83605


On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Tony Rumore <rumore@tromix.com> wrote:
Going out today, US mail.

Tony


got it in the mail but it didn't come with Tromix disconnecter spring and Tromix Shepherds crook/trigger?  I bought the whole kit.  The trigger was a little damaged too so I threw it all away.  I so very much appreciate the hammer but it didn't come with the rest of the stuff.  I'm sorry to be a thorn in your ass but the hammer alone does me no good.  thanks again Tony.



Sounds like you’re bullshiting me now.

Tony


From: Eric Underwood [mailto:underwoodammo@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:35 AM
To: Tony Rumore
Subject: Re: issue with product

I figured you'd say that Tony, I sersiouly threw it away when you said you were replacing because I thought you were replacing the kit, not just the part.  It was my fault for assuming, I was just hoping you were going to send out the whole kit I bought.  I understand if you can't/won't but the hammer alone doesn't do me any good at this point.  Thanks Tony.

Eric, or any one that knows him...  I received an email from this guy and I tried to respond to it but it is being returned as undeliverable.  He bought a threadless   gas plug from a shop local to him.  He tried to take it back but the shop wouldn't swap it out for him (do you believe that shit) and said all sales are final!!!  Told Eric he need to contact me.  Eric did but I can get a message back to him...  If your out there Eric, check your email address.  Send me another email and include an alternate form of contact as well.  Or you can send the plug back to the PO Box list on my site, www.mdarms.com. If you send it back please make sure to include a legible letter with it telling who you are and your shipping info.  Sorry your local dealer is a douche bag!  I wouldn't spend another dime there if I were you!

For whatever reason I can't edit my old thread I had with the progress, so I had to create a new one.

Well I bought one unconverted and started from there. I did all of the work and customization myself, and it has been a blast (even though the wife bitched at me... it was all worth it). I have done a lot of work here to put this thread together to hopefully help some people that are on the fence of doing their own work. All you need are some basic tools. There's a million different ways you can dress up your S12, but the services I have listed are pretty synonymous for each shotgun. If you have an questions please don't hesitate to ask. I'm not an expert, but familiar with the S12 system. This is what worked for me! I hope this helps you guys and please add to it if you see something. Enjoy fellas!

***Disclaimer*** (Borrowed from Moe Zambeak)
Make sure you follow all safe firearm handling procedures when attempting any firearm modifications! Check your local, state, and federal laws and make sure you are in compliance! I take absolutely no responsibility for anything bad that happens to you, your gun, your dog, etc, etc, etc.

A parts diagram:


**I found this on the net, but edited the original parts list to use more common terms for the new Saiga owners**

The only upgraded part on the Saiga when I originally bought it was: Tapco T6 Stock (see pic 1/7) That was the first thing to go!

Here are the parts that are currently on it. (see 7/7 picture)

Tromix D-I-Y trigger guard
Tapco FCG
SAW grip
Ace 7.5 stock Mine is 7.5
Ace folding mechanism
Stock/receiver block
Tromix oversized charging handle
Mississippi Auto Arms quad rail
KAC vertical grip
Pheonix door breacher brake
Gas fixer plug
Twister puck
Burris Fast Fire II
Surefire M95 (Picked it up off ebay for $50)
Blackhawk 3 point sling
2 MD drums
Several russian 8 round sticks
AGP 10 round stick
3 factory 5 rounders

Places that I ordered these parts from:

Carolina Shooters Supply Awesome prices, availability, and super fast shipping.
MD Arms Place of the world's best drum magazine for Saiga Shotguns.
Ebay I bought the Fastfire II from here.


Tools needed for services

Dremel
Dremel sandpaper attachment (grinding wheel)
Dremel abrasive buffs
Dremel polishing kit
Dremel cutting disk attachment
Small file
Industrial grade sheet metal 1/8 thick (similar to this)
Piece of wood like a 2x4
Mallet hammer
Allen key set
Phillips and Flathead medium head sized screwdrivers
Dental pick (angled is preferred by me anyways)
PATIENCE!

Here are some pics showing progress along the way...

1/7 of the way complete (exactly like mine (but mine is 12g), picture was taken from surplusriflesforum):


2/7 of the way complete after basic conversion and adding door breacher brake.


3/7 of the way complete after adding rails, SAW grip, recoil pad, Tromix oversized charging handle, KAC foregrip, and sling


4/7 of the way complete after adding the Fastfire II and polished the bolt carrier.


5/7 of the way complete after adding Ace folding stock and Surefire M95


6/7 of the way complete after adding MD arms drums


7/7 of the way complete after refinishing it in green/black


Even with the converted parts and upgrades it still didn't shoot the way I wanted. It would have a FTE every 30 rounds or so. It shot slug and 00 buck perfect, but was having the FTE issues with low recoil 00 buck and also the birdshot. It was pretty annoying, but wanted to get things right. So I did some research on this site, and did the following services to the weapon:

BEST THREAD FOR DOING A CONVERSION: Moe Zambeak's Conversion Thread

1) Polished the carrier- This didn't enhance the reliability of the weapon, but I just wanted to have that look. It looks pretty nice. Took about an hour or so! Here is what I did...
   a) You need a dremel for starters and place on there the sandpaper attachment, and start taking off the finish on the carrier.
   b Remove the sand paper attachment, and place an abrasive buff on and go over the carrier again. This will take out the inconsistencies from the sanding, and you'll begin to see the shine come through.
   c) Remove the abrasive buff, and put on the buffer attachment. Then put some polishing compound on the buffer, and start applying the compound throughout the carrier and let it sit for a few minutes.
   d) Remove the buffer attachment and put on a buffer disk and buff the compound off, which will yield the final product; a polished carrier.
   e) If you desire (some say it's a must) apply a light coat of oil to protect the carrier from corrosion or rust (since you just took the finish off the carrier.)



2) Ground down the bottom of the carrier rail- Got rid of the angles on the bottom of the carrier. Also polished it to a mirror shine. Took about 35-40 minutes or so.
   a) Take the sandpaper attachment again and round out the edges on the bottom of the carrier.
   b Repeat polishing process (b,c,d, and e in #1)



3) Ground the hammer and polished it- Took about an hour or so.
   a) Take the sandpaper attachment again and round out all the edges (angles) in the hammer.
   b Repeat polishing process (b,c,d, and e in #1)



4) Enlarged the gas port holes in the barrel- I found when I took my gas block off all the holes were different sizes and some were not done at the correct angle. So I took a 3/32 drill bit (5/64 is correct for a 4 port gun, but it was not cycling Winchester bulk pack. My goal was to get the gun to cycle that because if it did it will shoot anything, and it does. So after 5/64 did not work I used .093 which is the correct diameter for a 3 port gun.) and drilled them at the correct angle. I have the gas fixers plug so it helps regulate the gas that goes into my gun and allowed me to adjust to make the amount of gas correct. Took about 2 hours of work with this. The gas block was a bitch to get off. I took pics for you to see:
   a) Take off your handguards, rails, or whatever you have.
   b  Take off gas plug.
   c) Take out the gas puck.
   d) If you have a big brake you are going to need to take it off.
   e) Punch out the gas block pins.
   f) Then you need to tap off the gas block. There are a few ways to do this.
  i) Press it off (if you're lucky enough to have access to this equipment, please do share.)
  ii) If you're like 99% of people you are going to have to tap it off. What you need to do (through my experience) is go to Home Depot and get an industrial grade piece of sheet metal (1/8 thick to fit between gas tube and barrel). Then you are going to want to also get a 2x4 or similar piece of wood. When you get home place the wood on the floor and place the muzzle on the piece of wood. Then you are going to want to place the sheet metal between the gas block and barrel. In one hand you are holding the sheet metal (opposite of the side you're tapping) and with the other hand with a mallet you are going to tap the block off. Now some say that you can easily tap it off, but again with my experience I had to take some healthy hacks at the sheet metal for the block to finaly come off.
   g) Examine the gas block holes and then with a 3/32 bit drill the holes and make sure you drill the angle towards you (the receiver), not straight up and down, nor towards the muzzle. The latter 2 will create problems for you rather than help with cycling the weapon.
   h) Once the drilling is complete, now you need to make sure there aren't any burrs in the barrel.
  i) Take a flashlight and examine the inside and outside of the barrel at the ports to make sure there aren't any burrs. If there isn't, you are good to go. But if there is...
  ii) Take a file and make sure you file off the burrs inside the barrel and also the outside of the barrel if there is any. This will alleviate future problems.
   i) After that is done reassemble in reverse order until the handguards are back on and good to go.

JeffD's gas block removal thread

Before... (Notice all are different)



After... (all are the same)



5) Enlarged the port hole in the gas block- If you look at the first pic from #4, you'll see that the hole barely makes it around the top gas port hole (muzzle side) so I enlarged the port hole in the gas block to allow all the gas to get into the gun. Took about 35 minutes.
   a) This part you can do while you are enlarging the gas ports in the barrel. This is why I said if you have a large brake you are going to need to take it off so you can slide the gas block off the barrel. If you haven't done so already, this is the time to take your brake off.
   b Examine the barrel and the area specifically around the gas ports (you can see the "ring" around the gas ports in the barrel made from the gas block). If you are lucky and the gas block hole does give enough area for the ports to clear the gas block then everything is fine and nothing else needs to be done. But if not...



   c) Take a file, or dremel (as I used) and clear material in gas block hole until you can see enough has been taken away for all the gas to get into the gas system.



   d) Reassmeble according to instructions in #4.

JeffD's gas block removal thread

6) Rounded out the extractor port at the end of the barrel- This really helped with FTE's by saving energy in the action. The theory is this sharp area digs into the rim of the shell and robs energy from the extraction process which could yeild FTE's. Took about 20 minutes.
   a) I got this from a thread from MD Arms (in his business section). What you're going to need to do is take a small file and take gentle strokes and very shallowly round off the sharp angle that is located where the extractor slides over the chamber. If you look at my pic you'll see the area that I'm speaking of (it's in yellow. DO NOT MESS WITH THE PARTS IN RED). Take gentle strokes from starting inside the chamber and round up. Feel with your finger until it is more round, and not sharp.



7) Ground down the bolt, and polished it- This makes inserting a loaded magazine easier and also helps smooth out the action and cycling during firing. Took about 30 minutes or so.
   a) Take the sandpaper bit and grind part of the bottom of the bolt when the bolt/carrier is in battery. I took a bit of the bulge away from the head of the bolt and made it more flat.
   b Repeat polishing process.



8)THE INSTRUCTIONS ( of section 8 ) BELOW ARE TO BE USED AT YOUR OWN RISK.... CUTTING/GRINDING/POLISHING AWAY TOO MUCH MATERIAL, AND FAILURE TO LEAVE THE ORIGINAL GEOMETRY OF THESE PARTS CAN CAUSE CATASTROPHIC FAILURE TO YOUR FIREARM!!!!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO REMOVE? WHAT NOT TO REMOVE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS SAFE AND WHAT IS NOT? IF NOT... DO NOT MAKE THIS PARTICULAR MODIFICATION TO YOUR SAIGA SHOTGUN!!!!


Round the corners/polished the bolt guide in the carrier, and also the bolt head- I did this in a way to make that last 1/4 inch that every says their carrier hangs up if they ride the carrier, and eliminate it. This has helped tremendously and allowed the action to be smoother.Took about 30 minutes or so.
   a) Take a dremel and round the corners highlighted and try your best to take the angles out of the equation. Also smooth out and polish the carrier bolt channel and make that as smooth as possible. **IMPORTANT! Very minimal material removal. We are not trying to remove a bunch of material in this process. We want the inconsistencies taken out to create as little of friction as possible.**
   b  Repeat the polishing process for all the parts that you ground/smoothed out.





9) Added the Ace Folding stock- It took me about 30 minutes from start to finish to get the stock on, but I'm happy with it. It's really solid. No rattle in the stock whatsoever.
   a) Take off your old stock
   b  Take a dremel and put the metal cutting disc on it and cut off the tang flush to the reciever.





*If you don't cut the tang back to flush with the receiver the receiver block can't sit flush against the back of the receiver. This will give an gap between the receiver and receiver block. It will also give downward angle to the stock.*

   c) Clean out metal shavings inside the receiver



   d) If you have the plastic plugs from the conversion in the sides of the reciever (where the sporter FCG used to be), remove them.
   e) Place your stock block into the receiver, and make sure it's flush. If its not, repeat step b until the tang is cut back flush with the receiver. Secure the block into the receiver with the screws provided. It would also be a good idea to put loctite on the screws to prevent rattling loose during firing.
   f) Take your folding mechanism and screw it into the block. A dab of loctite will help with making sure the screws don't come loose during firing.
   g) Attach the new stock to the folding mechanism. Again put loctite on the screws to prevent them from coming loose during firing.

10) Aftercare- I put grease on the metal parts that were going to contact and cause friction in the act of cycling during a firing of a round (hammer, bottom of carrier, bolt stem, bolt guide, and carrier channel) and hand cycled it for a good 10 minutes to smooth out all those parts that were going to be in contact and try to make them as one with the new surfaces. Then I cleaned the parts off and maintained the rest of the gun like anyone normally would.
  
So I did #'s 1-10 during the week after the FTE's I had that weekend. The action is 100% smoother and doesn't hang up anywhere while charging the weapon. You can ride the carrier and it still is smooth as hell.

Also I've had some requests on how I wrapped my stock in paracord. The picture I did up tries to explain how I wrapped it. I started in position "1" until I got to position "4" Then tie it off and take a lighter and burn the knot to prevent coming loose.



I took it to the range after all the work I did and had 0 FTE's with Winchester birdshot. In fact some loads were able to be shot on a lesser gas setting! This occured with slow shots, and as fast as I could pull the trigger. I've put about 1000 rounds through it now since the work and I haven't had 1 single FTE or FTF. The gun is 100% better than it was when I first got it! It is 100% reliable (just keep it clean). I couldn't be happier with it at this point, and is now my favorite weapon. This is offically a head turner now!

Again hopefully this helps you guys! Take care!

I noticed in my virtual personel file that my C.O. had selected me for re-enlistment. Though it was a little odd since in my retention meeting I stated I was planning to retire. 6 months out I started the process last week to retire militarily in Sept. Just having finished a big Wing inspection and the Fire Dept. got an Outstanding. The Civil Engineering Squadron got an Excellent, and the Wing overall got the first ever Outstanding. I felt like leaving on a high note was a good way to leave it.

 

Go into to see the C.O. for the signature giving be the blessing to start things, and the C.O. says, "You've earned right to retire, but I'd like to speak to when I have more time. I appreciate all you have done. I'll sign this for you, but please come see me in the morning before you submit any paperwork."

 

I agreed to come back in the morning. Went into the office and had an old school sit down with the C.O. We talked for a bit and my C.O. said quality people are hard to keep, and we need to retain as many as possible to train the young Airmen what it takes to operate at the level we do. I was suprised when I was asked personally to re-enlist.

 

I had to withdraw my retirement. I had no choice, how can you say no to a personal favor?

 

I'll re-enlist for another 6. So I have at least another 6 1/2 years to help young Airmen learn to prevent the fire, fight the fires that can't be prevented, look out for each other, and above all protect the Constitution.

 

Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller - 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago - 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.

Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity - will no longer be served as customers.

In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York - henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.

If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerate to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.

This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.

Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.

Sincerely,

Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc.

 

Olympic Arms Draws Another Line in Sand, Tells Fraternal Order of Police to Shove It, Refuses Advertising

February 13 2013

from → Blog

      

Yesterday, we reported that Olympic Arms drew a line in the sand, refusing to do business with any state or law enforcement employees in New York until they reverse their recent gun control measures.

Now, Olympic Arms has drawn another line in the sand, calling out the Fraternal Order of Police when they were solicited to advertise in a FOP publication.

The following was posted to Olympic Arms Facebook page.

Olympic Arms was recently asked to advertise in the FOP Journal; the official magazine of the Fraternal Order of Police. It is well known that the FOP is a staunch supporter of Gun Control, had backed the AWB under Bill Clinton, and supports the current AWB under consideration that was introduced by Diane Feinstein. The FOP was actually accredited as being one of the sources that helped prepare the language of Gun Control suggestions that were forwarded by Vice President Biden. Below is a copy of our response to the FOP Journal:

Please forward this email to every major principal in your organization. Note, the post was reformatted to better fit this website.

AS:

1. The Fraternal Order of Police is on Congressional Record as having been a major supporter of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.
2. As a matter of fact and record, the FOP is accredited with assisting VP Biden in formulating the language of the newly proposed ban
3. Additionally, as a matter of fact and public record, the FOP is in support of the newly recommended Assault Weapons Ban introduced by Senator Feinstein.
a. FOP representatives were actually standing on the Stage during the presentation as a sign of “support”.

THEREFORE:
Olympic Arms, Inc, manufacturers of AR15 type firearms, firearms that these legislators would call “Assault Weapons”, will not be supporting in any way, shape, form or fashion, The Fraternal Order of Police, any organization that represents, supports, takes advertising dollars from, spends advertising dollars with, is in anyway related to, any individual who is a card carrying member of, or any person or entity in any way associated with the Fraternal Order of Police. Period.

Henceforth;
- Be assured that Olympic Arms will not rest in its efforts to educate our customers, fans and followers the extent of the hypocrisy committed by the FOP and FOP Journal (fighting to outlaw the firearms produced by the very companies they now solicit for advertising dollars…). You can also be certain that we continue to make every effort to properly educate the firearms consumer in general, of the same.
- Additionally, we will make continued efforts at assure that ALL firearms manufacturers are aware of the FOP’s support to strip Constitutional Rights from Americans, and their support of further unconstitutional gun control legislation.
- We pledge to inform all of our customers the lengths that the FOP and associated FOP affiliates by proxy (which includes all your advertisers)are willing to go to in order to strip the American Citizen of their Constitutional Rights, while at the same time writing in exemptions to the same legislation to ensure that their members maintain those same rights they would have stripped from others.
- Your actions are the actions of a rogue organization supporting tyranny, not an organization sworn to uphold the laws of the land, to protect, serve and defend their constituencies.

Let it be know, that your actions are reprehensible and shameful.

http://abcnews.go.co...-and-much-more/
http://www.guncite.com/aswpolice.html

Sincerely,

Thomas A. Spithaler
Sales & Marketing Dir.
Olympic Arms, Inc.

Today my wife and kids joined several other Home School families for a Nature Hike at Muddy Creek Wetlands/Nature Preserve.
http://www.portersvillerevivalgroup.org/muddycreek.htm
http://www.examiner.com/review/along-the-banks-of-muddy-creek
They were on a section of trail on the ground, when the group surprised a decent sized drove of feral pigs, big sows with piglets and some larger juveniles.
How a noisy group of kids and adults surprises a passel of pigs is beyond me.
Apparently one of the sows got agitated at all the people so close to'er piglets and moved to protect them.
One Mom started screaming, kids started running back down the trail and a bit of semi-panicked confusion ensued.
My wife, ever the Momma Bear, pulled her Rossi .357mag /.38spc and put herself between kids and pigs.
Momma hog backed down, and all the piggies disappeared back into the swamp.
The hike continued with much excited chatter from kids and Moms alike.

Some of these ladies already knew my wife CCs, some didn't.
One who didn't, was apparently a big anti-2A Libtard, and was the one screaming.
But not any more, she told my wife that she was thankful she had a gun, and now realizes that they are legitimate personal protection.
Wife says the other woman kept staring at her fanny pack throughout the rest of the hike.

My wife has helped change the thinking of at least three families when it comes to firearms, chalk up another.
Two families have become gun owners, one even went through a thorough training course as a family.
When she goes out with the girls, many have expressed a feeling of increased safety knowing she is carrying.

My first question was, "So wheres the pig being processed?" I'd shot that bitch and had hams, chops, roasts and bacon.

Momma Bear got extra hugs-n-kisses today.

Today, October 13th, my youngest daughter has been dead longer than she was alive. She was in a head on collision with a semi in 2004, which took the life of her mother and nearly killed my oldest daughter as well. I would have never thought that I could make it through something like that and actually improve my life at the same time, but events like that tend to make some people want to make the best of what is left of their reality. That is how I made it. I have to admit it has hardened me emotionally and made me realize that everything after this is cake, but it made me a much better person in so many other ways.

I have been able to tell the story and help others, which makes it a bit easier to accept. We do not have to like these kinds of events, but we do have to live with them and we may as well do our best to find the light in the worst that life has to offer. If you have suffered the loss of a child, I urge you to find a way to help others with the story, if at all possible. There is no telling how many lives you can impact with it in a positive way. I was extremely fortunate to have been able to be but a very small part of saving children's lives and improving their future quality of life through telling our story. That has been the most rewarding thing to ever happen to me. I will never meet the majority of people that the story will impact, but I know they are there. For those of you who have suffered the loss of a child, know that you are not alone and I sincerely offer my condolences. We are the emotional warriors....

evl....

I was standing outside of my girlfriend's house on sunday night, smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer. I was next to the staircase (she lives on the first floor of a 2 story motel style apartment), with my back to the parking lot, and she was facing the parking lot. She says "he doesn't live here." I turned around and there was a dude talking on his cell phone, it sounded like he was trying to figure out which apartment someone was in. He walked up, and I stepped aside so he could get up the stairs, and when I looked up he had a gun, and said 'give it up' or something along those lines. I put my hands up, and told him to be cool. I set my beer down and told him I was goimg to put my hand in my left pocket, then reached into my pocket, got my phone, and told him I was going to set it on the ground. He went to pick it up, and I grabbed the kel-tec pf9 off my right side waist band, and shot him twice in the gut (turns out I actually hit him in the stomach and upper leg). He fell up against a car, hit the ground, and I stepped back real quick and tried to line up on him with two hands on the pistol. I don't really know how or what happened, but I got my left hand cut, looks like it was too high behind my right hand and the slide bit it. Also, the gun jammed, and by this time he was up and running, no shit. I cleared the round, and took a knee behind a car, grabbed my phone, and called the police. They showed up in less than 5 minutes, and were super cool (this was Birmimgham PD), said someone had got robbed a couple of blocks over earlier, it ended up being the same dude. After a while, about 45 minutes, a hospital on the western side of town called and said they had a black male with 2 gunshot wounds. Turned out he was coked up and drunk, which explains how he was able to take 2 9mm hollow points and get up and run, which surprised the hell out of me. Anyway, he had dropped his gun in the parking lot, (a Lorcin 25, imagine that), and had also fired off one round, they found a 25cal shell next to the car. The cops never gave me any greif, actually told me I did what I had to and good job. I am waiting to get the gun back from evidence, but really don't know if I want to carry it anymore. I'm carrying a Glock 23 now. I feel alright, certainly don't have any regrets, and i'm glad that no one I care about was hurt.

Since becoming a business member, I have kept most of my political comment offline - but Pakistan deserves both an Oscar, and a monumental measure of absolute contempt - because they have managed to play our leaders like first time johns, and loot our treasury like a jail broken slot machine.

Bin Laden has clearly been a cash cow for dishonest and dishonorable Pakistan, because as long as they could play shell games with the clueless political overseers of our intelligence services, and lead us in an unending series of wild goose chases, they beat the bank every time, playing with a stacked deck, and cashing in to the tune of untold billions of dollars.

Shame on us as a nation for buying in, and kudos to whomever in the US military and intelligence communities had the guts and good sense to buck their "superiors", cut Pakistan out of the loop and keep them in the dark so that our true professionals, and amazing special operators could finally go in and get the job finished once and for all.

We have demeaned ourselves as a nation by treating this stinking, cockroach eaten third world shithole as a friend and ally, and by continually reelecting those gullible enough to believe that we would ever have enough money to bribe a culture of amoral thieves into acting as honorable men.

I wish I could say "sorry" to the 250-270 or so Class 3's or 07's that auditioned for this show but didn't get picked . But , I'm pretty cool with the way things worked out

I decided to put a list together of all the ammo that is the correct length/crimp needed for the MD20. Please Do Not rely on this table just yet until others can confirm what I've put together.  Please also post any brands/rounds not listed and I'll update the table as we go.  If such a list alredy exists then the mods can delete but please send me the link.

This table is specifically related to the length/crimp needed and NOT whether a rounds cycles in your S12.  I'm going to assume the addition of the Gunfixr Plug will eliminate that.  I had to attach this as a PDF file because I wasn't able to keep the columns/formatting the same when I tried to copy and paste it.

Let's all share and make this a good resource for us all!

Hope for the future:

 

 

Well for starters, last night I went to the house of the owner of my local gun store to install a new operator for his garage door. Of course the topic of the recent shit mess was on both our tongues and even moreso since he has two 5 yr old twin boys. After completing the task I was there for I told him he didnt owe me anything, as he has always taken care of me in terms of guns purchases, and trade in values over the last few years since he got his FFL. Ive been doing business with him since he first opened and before he had his FFL. Well he asked me if there was any rifles I was interested in that he had in his shop. I laughed and told him several. Then on a serious note I have been eyeing a Saiga 7.62x39 he had on the wall for a long ass time, and told him about it. He told me he would hang on to it and give me a good deal on it for when I came in the next time. Well I kept my end of the bargain and brought him some new remotes for his door operators and gave them to him this morning. He told me that he did still have the rifle and had put it aside in the back room this morning when he opened up shop and asked if Id like to see it.

Heres where it blew my mind. When he went and got the rifle, I was playing with it, and just had to have it. The price tag was listed for 509 flat +tax and NICS. Well he brought up the little thing he mentioned last night and to my suprise told me he would let me have it for 375!!   And thats not even the coolest part. This dude being the nice guy he is, also told me that he will transfer the gun to me now, and let me pay him later. I was floored. I trust this man and I know that he does trust me or wouldnt have done so. He even told me that I didnt have to pay him anything now, just the NICS. I threw him 75 bucks and bought two boxes of ammo and even more to my suprise, the 10 rd. mag was missing in the box, so he went and threw in a 30 round tapco mag free of charge. One hell of a cool gun shop owner, and a fellow friend. Its good to have friends in places like this fellas.
His place was packed and only open for a tad over an hour, and had already sold 4 AR-15's, 3 AK's and several bolt guns and handguns. lol.

Now here are the pics.



Im not sure what this marking is though.


Its an '06 marked.


Went out today with my younger brother and put 60 rds through it strait outta the box, 145 shells through the Vepr-12, and 250 rds, through the SGL31. Good day today.

I have a secret fantasy.  I don't know if I even dare say it...

 

I dream that the panic buying of ammo will entice manufacturers to ramp up production and then when the panic dies down there will be excess, resulting in (I quiver as I write this...) cheap and available ammo.  There.  I said it.

Guess they just had to be Dicks about it.

Yet one more reason not to send your kids into the public indoctrination system.
To those saying "their faith has been tested"... That's Man, Not God.
God was kicked out of the building, states, politics and conversation years ago.