Silverfox

first off..yes , saigas have a fixed or detachable choke..lol...sorry..the threaded models are detachable , the others are not , regardless ....it is not certain if the chokes are considered muzzle devices , but i would bet on them being considered so , just to be safe...and , actually , it is best if you have absolutely NO choke if you want to shoot slugs ...this is a subject of some protracted debate on this forum , but , you CAN shoot slugs thru a choke although its not recommended by some...again..best bet , if you want to shoot slugs , dont get a fixed full choke model , its always good t

hey..at least its in english...ive been trying to interpret the one that came with my gun for at least 6 months now...lol...luckily these things aint exactly rubics cubes..

true the 89 ban will not expire , but we can get around that by using the parts count rule ( no more than 10 of a selected list of foriegn made parts )..fortunately 3 of the parts in that list are included in the magazine...if you can get a manufacturer in the US to make an 8 or 10 round mag we will all be VERY happy people...

hi AKATTACK , yes the threaded barrel has external threads ( i have the model you mentioned you are interested in )..CDNN has a variety of chokes available for the Saigas , and MAKC was able to sell me a muzzle brake from his website..for the price i would recommend a Blackjack recoil buffer as well...there are also a couple of members of this forum who have been working on producing their own brakes for sale , but i am not up to date on the status of their project ( check thru the threads , they have posted pics and info in this forum )..K-Var and Red Star Arms are a couple of good AK parts s

sure would be nice if we could find a U.S. manufacturer for the mags...that would account for 3 parts off the "imported parts" list...then with a U.S. made FCG , grip and stock we would have more U.S. parts than we need..by my count we will still need either a U.S. made piston or handguard otherwise and i havent seen either of those parts for sale for the s-12 anywhere ...

when i got mine i found a swiss army knife in the package...woulda been cool to get the magnet though..lol...(s-12 , 19in.-thread barrel , stamped 2000 & has the bolt hold-open , from CDNN )

the gun you are talking about is a Saiga-12C..untill the ban sunset it is a LE only gun..but i expect that it will become available to the rest of us after sept 2004...there are several companies that do the pistol grip conversions on Saiga rifles and i would expect that they will be converting the shotguns after sept as well..there are also several companies that sell US made parts , in case you would like to do the work yourself...take a look around in the forum , you will find some of them mentioned there and some opinions of their work...luckily the Saigas use basically the same parts as A

that would be the first time i had ever heard of anyone ever returning one actually...i have never heard of anyone who has..i have never had any real problems with mine , i love it , money well spent ...

Bush gets my vote this term...if for no other reason than he has shown the world he can take decisive action and keep a commitment and has made the rest of the world respect America again..they may not like us much right now , but they now know they best not screw with us too much...you all have brought up some good points on pros and cons of either candidate , and you all have good points , but i dont think we are actually voting for just one man , we are voting for his cabinet and the people he brings to washington with him...Bush has one hell of a team , Cheney , Rumsfeld , Rice , Powell ,

i THINK that the launcher would put this in the "destructive device" catagory.. i know that it is considered one with the 40mm launchers ..im not sure if they specify a size or not..but i would bet they dont...i think it just says gernade launcher ...

yea Ned..im still in shock over the '94 AWB...lol....i thought an assault weapon was a gun that had a firing mode selector and was capable of full-auto firing....how an gun can be called an assault weapon because it has a pistol grip or folding stock is pure political bull squeezins , and how they slipped the AWB by us was a bold faced lie...in fact , the ban does not include anything about "assault weapons", so the title itself is a lie....as far as im concerned , a semi-auto is a semi-auto , no matter how you dress it..and a pistol grip and folding stock isnt goin to make the thing more or l

i just downloaded the new CDNN catalog ...i was still looking at the old one (2003)..yea it seems that the 19in model didnt make this years catalog , you might want to give em a call at their toll free number and check on that..they are the ones who sold me my 19in model last year ( it was priced at $260 ), so i know they at least HAD them....there are of course other places to find one , but they (CDNN) had the best price i could find ...hopefully they just didnt include em in the catalog , but still stock them...EAA lists em at approx. $440 for the 19in., at that rate id just buy one from a

np man...anytime...welcome to the forum....and just in case you arent aware of this , these things DO take common AK parts...come October 2004 you may wanna have a few bucks stashed away...lol...

one thing that worked for me was i told her she could shoot it..when she complained that a 12ga. kicks too much , i filled her in on the lessened recoil from a semi-auto and promised that i would buy a recoil buffer , muzzle brake , etc., would you believe she went for it ?!..and actually helped me pay for the brake , because the gun was so inexpensive compared to all the other guns i showed her the prices of. ..lol...only problem is now i have to get another one for me!..lol...it is wise to use shopping sense to convince a woman you are getting a bargain , they seem to have an instinctual

as far as i know , all saiga 12's and .410's will take both 2 3/4 and 3in. length shells ( and has an adjustable gas chamber to compensate recoil for each size ) ..i think just the 20ga. model is limited to 2 3/4in. shells only....the chamber spec. is located on the receiver body..between the rivets between the magazine well and the ejection port , below the charging handle....mine is stamped 12x76 18,3 ... the 12x76 meaning 12ga.x76mm , or , 3 in. ...(apparently they round down from 76.2mm)... not sure what the 18,3 signifies...with the 12ga. you can use OR MIX shells of different lengths

there is a list of 20 parts that matter for post-ban guns , and the trick is that at least 10 of THESE parts must be US made , to be compliant....i found this list on the Red Star Arms website , along with their inventory of US made AK parts..there are several companies with websites that stock all the US made parts you may need for compliance.. 1. frames , receivers , receiver castings , forgings or stampings 2. barrels 3. barrel extensions 4. mounting blocks ( trunnions ) 5. muzzle attachments 6. bolts 7. bolt carriers 8. operating rods 9. gas pistons 10. trigger housings 11. tri

thx for the feedback Thousand..lol...yea its all in fun eh...feel free to use whatever you like as far as comebacks...i stole em from someone else too..lol...i hail from Wisconsin recently , grew up in Chicago , did the west coast tour in my 20s (1980s), became an airman in 1990 and have been pickin up on these idiots for years..lol..once in a while i get the opportunity to put in a couple of words that make someone smile....i was just sayin what we where all thinkin anyways..lol...trolls aint all bad i guess , just gotta make the best of it...a lil imagination goes a long way eh?...and yea

yea...ATF man...lol.. any particular illegal configuration you are looking for?...like maybe a full auto Saiga 12?..or could it be anything , like just a pistol grip or folding stock?..maybe a couple of hi-cap mags?... why dont ya cmon over and pay me a visit and we can go over your search warrant... what DOES the 'nick' ATF man mean anyway?..Another Trolling Fool?...lol... if you are going to impersonate an American law enforcement official it would help to actually know American law and legal procedure.... oh yea..since we are free to say whatever we like in any public forum...ive

FLE96...Yup , like rock says , just take the thing all the way out...dont worry , mine was tight the first few times too , but it will loosen up after a while , just be careful not to damage the threads of the plug while your trying to press in that little button (shouldnt be a problem , just make sure you press the button straight in an dont slip off , i use the threaded end of one of the tools that comes in the tool kit , but ive heard of guys using chopsticks or pencils , )you dont necessarily have to remove the handguard unless you really want to , my handguard actually interfered with rem

go to http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ and download their catalog(you will need Adobe reader 3.0 or better) They sell 4 models of the 12ga ranging in price from $200 to $270 you will find em on page 23 of their catalog ..they also stock a variety of parts for the Saigas( mags, chokes, scope mounts, etc) .. my local dealer stocks them and sells them for around $450 for a 19in 12ga w/threaded barrel..i ordered mine, same model with 2 extra mags and a sling, and after paperwork, shipping, etc. charges, i still payed less than they sell em for over the counter...i think the whole package was

..lol..man , we can only hope your wrong about that one , but it wouldnt surprise me at all either if it happened that way...keep those fingers crossed...

well guys luckily we only have 10 months to go till the Brady bill expires and clears up some of this ambiguity...it is legal B.S. like the wording of the Brady bill that made Bill"slick willy"Clinton , the 'Teflon god'...it leaves just enough room for the lawmakers to say "no , you dont understand..what I meant , was/what it means , is...(fill in the blank with whatever happens to be convenient for them today or let the supreme court figure it out in a legal battle where the letter of the law will fall to the supposed 'intent' of the law)...you can check out the exact wording for yourself , j

mine has both the Russian and English lettering for 'Saiga-12"...the Cyrillic(Russian) lettering is placed just above the 2 rivets on the left side of the receiver , forward of the magazine well , and is about twice the size of the Arabic(English) lettering , which is directly above that , just below the serial numbers on the raised 'plate' area( trunnion )....there is , what i assume is , a date of manufacture on the left side of the receiver , just forward of the scope mount rail , between the factory symbol stamps and the magazine well...mine reads " mx03 2000 " which i assume means it was

if your gun did not come with a pistol grip , just the monte carlo stock , then you will need to do a conversion , this is actually a conversion BACK to the reciever's original configuration , AK parts fit without having to do serious mods , all the important holes are in the right places , but you may need a little filing or trimming in spots for clearance , and you will end up with a couple extra holes in the reciever where the pivot pins for the FCG are now , they can be welded in or filled with rivets , pins , etc....there are a few companies that do the conversions , or you can do it your

check the 'items for sale or trade' section of the main forum page ..you will find a source for alot of the questions you will most likely be asking...like it states , the info is available online if you look long and hard enough , but for just a few bucks you can avoid the hours of running around searching...you have definitely found the right place to look for anything Saiga related..if you have the time , look thru the several pages of past threads , lotta good info stashed in there too...welcome to the forum...