I got lucky and spotted em at the Va Bch gun show during my Xmas V-K. Dark Sun out of Richmond, VA (DS always has the best prices on everything at that moment in time) had the 16" Black 308's for $499 and the 22" Wood 308's for $569. I grabbed the 16 for conversion reasons but I really wanted the Woody too. Dark Sun had about (5) 16's and (2) 22's at the time. I should have also grabbed the Arsenal slr107r for $869 from another dealer at that show. Oh well, I still walked out with another Saiga for the collection. I had not seen a Saiga 308 at any PA gun shows for a long time.