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  1. people that are scared of guns are scared most by barrel shrouds. the number of vent holes in the shroud is indicative to the number of newborn babies that gun was designed to murder with one trigger pull. due to design, i don't see any need for a shroud on an AK variant, but it makes rounds of clay shooting much more pleasant on tube-fed shotguns. no minor burns when you roll the shotgun to reload
  2. since i only have my 2 factory mags, i mostly shoot 2 3/4" shells from my 3" mag. 2 3/4" buckshot and slugs have been flawless from the 3", but bulk walmart 2 3/4" birdshot fails to feed more often in the 3" mag. when i keep the gun loaded for HD, i use the 2 3/4 mag...just in case
  3. Modiano

    New Owner

    it's pretty easy for a novice with a good drill and a dremel to drill out the rivets and replace the trigger parts. search on youtube and you'll find a step by step series. now, if you've got money to throw around, by all means, pay a knowledgeable local saiga owner to do the work for you. you can even pay a pro gunsmith that handles saigas, but i hear the back log is ridiculous. either route, you're voiding your warranty. be sure you break the gun in so you know it works as-is. a polished turd is still a turd.
  4. is loudness of a defense caliber a factor for anyone? we all know that gunshots are loud. without hearing protection, gunshots can be painful, disorienting, and damaging. shooting outdoors, and without hearing protection, my ears can handle shotgun target loads with ease. .45acp stings, but is tolerable. haven't tried buckshot without ear muffs. indoor ranges are louder than outdoor ranges. even with hearing protection, everyone turns their head when the guy a few stalls down switches from .38 to .357. i know a guy who had an accidental discharge with a .357 indoors and he said it was the loudest, most disorienting sound he's ever heard what pistol caliber do you think is "quiet enough" to be used safely in a car or small room. does it really matter, or does adrenaline take care of the loudness problem? so far, i'm leaning toward lower chamber pressure rounds like .45acp and .38spl. is 9mm too loud to shoot from inside a car?
  5. don't have an s-12, but my s-20 conversion went pretty smoothly. the hardest part is drilling out the original rivets. i reused my trigger guard. as far as the ramp, my factory 2.75" and 3" have been flawless with 2.75" buckshot and slugs. i still have problems with cheap 2.75" birdshot...mostly out of the 3" magazine. the s-20 is a good choice. recoil is light and very manageable with 2.75" #3 buck. i just wish somebody would come out with some good us-made 20g mags
  6. imo, the most important things for a pump HD shotty are: #1. tactical light #2. magazine extended to end of barrel an 18-19inch barrel and full stock isn't too unwieldy, but not as handy as a pistol grip only. some people are simply against any shotgun without a full stock. those guys do make good points about accuracy and recoil. if you decide that the best shotty solution for you is a pistol grip only, you CAN shoot it accurately with reduced recoil buckshot. at apartment distances, you should be able to get accurate shots and control the recoil without busting your nose or knocking out a tooth. full power buckshot should be fired from the hip. reduced recoil can be fired from eye level with your arms extended. i've never owned a mossberg, but i hear they are difficult or impossible to extend the mag. i vote for ANY 870 or a mossberg with an 18-20 inch barrel and factory extended mag. an 870 police (or clone) has an extended mag. regular 870s made in the past 15yrs have dimples in the magazine tube that you have to grind down or drill out to fit the extra shells. if you decide on pistol grip only (PGO), you need to practice to build you skill and confidence. take it out and shoot some clays with birdshot. if you can bust a few clays without a full stock, you will be fine at apartment distances. remington reduced recoil buckshot kicks about the same as birdshot. reduced recoil loads tend to pattern a little tighter than full loads, so you still need to aim well. an added bonus to reduced recoil loads is that they are less likely to overpenetrate into your neighbors apartment than full loads. i'm happy with my tacstar PG and reduced recoil buckshot. if you want to shoot full power loads, you may want to step up to a recoil reducing PG like the one Knox offers.
  7. the XD vs. glock argument is like ford vs. chevy...i'm sure Calvin pisses on both of them. it's not as good of an argument as 7.62 vs. 5.56. do they both have a V8 and auto transmission? they both have a trailer hitch and an ample truckbed? do they both run on the same fuel? i've had a glock 21sf for a couple years and it fits my large hands like a glove. never handled the full-sized g21, but i'm under the impression that only Big Foot doesn't find the full-sized g21 a bit too big. i chose glock not as a range gun, but as a reliable full-sized defense .45 for the house or vehicle. for me, it fits the bill perfectly. the XD45 was also a great choice, but i opted to spend a few dollars more for the piece of mind of fewer parts to malfunction when the time is critical...and it runs like a champ. XD has a more visible "round indicator"...whoopie...any defense gun of mine is always loaded....thats how they are and that's how i treat them, so a more noticable round indicator means nothing to me. a shooting buddy has an XD that occasionally fails to feed with cheap target ammo...but that doesn't mean XDs are crap...his gun has always been 100% with quality loads. the only significant difference i can see between the two is the trigger slack. the glock trigger pull is short but firm at the end, and the XD trigger is long and "too easy" up till the end. for defense guns, i still like a double action revolver-type trigger pull. kel-tec and ruger LCP do a pretty good job IMO. i guess it's really all preference. from what i understand, XD triggers are somewhat adjustable and glock trigger springs are drop in parts. i don't have any complaints against the glock 21sf for it's intended use. i've considerd getting a short/light trigger spring just for the range, but decided that that would affect my muscle memory when i needed to use it for defense. if i want a target pistol, i will buy or build a target pistol.
  8. if you're somewhat handy with hand tools and a drill, just do a full conversion yourself. after some background research, it's not difficult. search on youtube for "saiga conversion" and google "cross conn". study that stuff, and this site and you'll be confident.
  9. your first line of defense is deterrents: #1: secured burglar bars on your doors and windows. any potential perp is likely to pass up your house and bust in your neighbor's unsecured back door. your landlord might be willing to spring for peace of mind (both your's and his). secure housing is good business...at least my landlord thinks so #2: an alert, territorial dog is a great deterrent. little yappy toy dog, big dog, any good dog will do the job. if you're in the market to get a dog, don't forget adult dogs at shelters. hang out with the dog for a while. if it's somewhat aloof to strangers (you), it'll probably accept you as it's master and your home as it's home. #3: visible security cams aimed at your entrances #4: keep your shrubs/trees trimmed so your don't give the perp any "cover" that's about it, as far as i know. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. keep the hoodlums, cholos, and wanna-be's out of your house. if you can't keep them out, have a way to ID them. bare minimum, don't let them get any free guns. if you keep personal records on your computer (like everybody does), you should look into buying or building a networked external harddrive (even wireless) to save your personal info including financial docs, serial #'s of your valuables, family pics/vids/etc. just because they take off with your computer, don't let them take everything. after deterrents: #1: an alarm system. depending on your city, response time may be 5-120 minutes. late response is better than no response, i guess. #2: these days, you can get DVR CCTV-type systems for $300-400 (including a few cameras). many of the computer based DVRs also have internet based viewing so you can check it while you are at work. although not really a derrent, video surveilance is a great investigative tool. you can show the vid to any cop worth his badge, and have prints lifted from areas touched...and pics of the perp's face...assuming that your CCTV DVR is secured and cannot be stolen #3: don't give these fuck-heads free guns. any firearms should be either locked in a wall-mounted gun safe or on your person.
  10. oops, i missed something: if the salesman at the gunshop was correct in saying that the gun already has 5 US-made/compliance parts then that would bring the total imported parts count on a threaded barrel shotgun to 9 (14-5=9). at that point, you could add all the US-made parts you wanted as long as you don't go above 10 imported parts. if the gun has really been modified with US-made parts, then a US-made 10rd made would be legal on the federal level. there's still alot of tricky 922r stuff to worry about. when the clerk says that "the gun already has 5 US-made parts", that sounds to me like the gun had once 14 parts and 5 were replaced, bringing the total imported part count to 9 (including the factory imported magazine which counts as 3 parts) research the 922r section of this board and confirm with the dealer that the gun has had enough parts replaced with US-made parts. i know this sounds like alot of crazy info, but 922r is the most important part of having a legal hi-cap saiga shotgun. check out the 922r section on this site personally, i want to be able to shoot my saiga with any magazine i have, whether it be import or domestic. be doubly sure that your gun would be legal with factory imported magazines as well as US-made hi-cap magazines. there's nothing worse than being convicted as a "casual felon" who slipped up on one tiny little illegality
  11. ...on the FEDERAL LEVEL: Answer #1) if the barrel is threaded, then it would be illegal to simply put a hi-cap magazine on a sporting saiga shotgun. a US-made magazine counts as 3 parts. a threaded barreled shotgun has 14 (counted) imported parts. to comply with 922r, you must be down to 10 imported parts. you would have to replace 1 more part with a US-made part...gas piston is cheap and easy. a US-made forearms is another easy option. if the shotgun at the shop does not have a threaded barrel, then it would be legal to put a US-made hi-cap magazine without any further changes. Answer #2) the price looks very very nice. according to the description, the gun was imported by RAA from germany (or at least has german markings). i really don't know what to tell you. from what i understand, my S-20 was originally destined from russia to south america, but was instead imported to the US by RAA after engravings were changed at the factory. if i were you, i would do some more research before you bought that gun on gunbroker. it might have a different number of gas ports or something to rain on your parade. might want to send a message to bob ash or tony rumore of tromix and see if they know of any differnces between german-imported and US-imported saigas. if the german config is the same as the US config, i say grab it asap! on a LOCAL LEVEL: your state, county, or city might have something against hi-capacity shotguns with removable magazines. there are a handful of states that don't think you should be able to defend yourself with your weapon of choice. personally, i will never live in those states or any other states that will bring me to a criminal or civil trial for defending myself against criminals. CASTLE DOCTRINE FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!
  12. Modiano

    Saiga genesis

    looks like you got a great deal on your s-12. as for break-in, stick to loads on gas settting #1: buckshot, slugs, and 3" magnum birdshot. you should have no problem cycling those. after 100 or so rounds of those, try some heavy birdshot loads on gas setting #2. 1 1/4oz if you can find it. 1 1/8oz may not always cycle reliably until your gun has been broken in appropriately. being able to shoot walmart bulk packs of federal or remmnington birdshot is pretty much like the holy grail. it'll either take some serious work and polishing or a serious break-in. some guys will replace their recoil spring with a 1911 spring to improve reliability with lighter loads...i'm no expert, but it seems like shooting full power loads with a 1911 spring will beat up your rear trunion. about the 12rd mag, yes, on a stock s-12, it would be in violation of 922r. your gun has 14 "imported parts". 922r requires that you go down to 10 or less to use hi-cap mags. box magazines counts as 3parts. i assume that 12rd mag is russian. in order to use an imported hi-cap mag, you've have to lose 4 parts. if you want to use a us-made 10rd mag, you only have to lose one part. gas puck is the easiest single. 922r can be very confusing, but it sounds like you have a good grasp of it. just remember that your gun (s-12 with threaded barrel) came with 14 imported parts. break in your gun in it's current configuration to make sure it's not a lemon or "vodka special". after that, if you want to use a russian 12rd mag, you've got to make sure you 922r part count is no more than 10, INCLUDING the russian mag which counts as 3 parts i advise: #1. shoot 100+ full power loads on gas setting #1. for break-in. #2. convert/restore to keep you parts count w/o mag to 7. once you add in 12rd russian mag, you'll be at 10 922r parts. #3. keep shooting and tweak as needed.
  13. Talkren, the sole purpose of conversion is to restore the perfectly fine kalashnikov design and ergonomics from it's neutered US-importable state. why saigas? quality control on your NIB saiga built at izhmash should be better than copies produced by most other communist countries. a saiga is a "true russian AK"...and it has a bolt hold open which may be required at your range you can easily accomplish that task on a budget using basic household tools. sure, some guys will spend $1,000+ on tricking out their saiga. the same guys would have no problem dumping that much money into customizing their AK, AR, or 1911. you can convert (restore) on a budget. not including shipping charges, i put about $175 into a saiga-20. $65 of that cost was for a foregrip/light holder that you may not want/need. the gun cost $380 NIB. add in conversion costs and we're looking at around $550...which is the bargain retail price for unconverted saiga-12 sporters. shop around. at minimum you're looking at buying: FCG: tapco g2 for $30. a little grinding, and bam, you've got room for the bolt hold open FCG retaining plate or e-clips: $1-10 pistol grip: SAW grip $10-15 hole plugs for the rivets you drilled out: $1-2 high temp BBQ paint: $3-5 other than a buttstock, that's really all you need to buy to complete a conversion now, since you want a folding stock, you're looking at more work and money if you want the gun to be funtional while folded you're options are: 1. buy a tromix or ace folder for $125+, which require a receiver block $40 or welded receiver plate $10+ 2. buy a romanian or east german wire folder $70+ if you can actually find one 3. use AK to AR buttstock adapter which requires receiver block or receiver plate...and an AR buttstock w/ folding mechanism. if you want a functional folded AK, you're looking at spending some serious cash unless you can find a romanian wire folder if you're not concerned about the ability to cycle and fire the gun when folded, you can go for any US-made right-side folder by ATI (wich is ugly as sin) or tapco. most budget folder guys opt for the tapco which you can find for $35-50. personally, i say if you're that concerned about conserving storage space, just cut off the receiver tang, use a receiver block or weld on the flat receiver plate, and go pistol grip only. with a bit a practice, a PGO shotgun will serve you well in home/personal defense distances. basic conversion cost (not including shipping or tools): $100-150 once you start getting into new forearms, rails, and fancy buttstocks the price can go up drastically i say get the conversion done so you have a fully functional saiga. later on, you can pimp it out as you like when you can afford it
  14. in my HD 12g pump i load reduced recoil 00buck. 8 pellets flying at 1200fps, 1 pellet short and 200fps slower than regular 00buck loads. in my s-20 i load #3buck 20pellets flying at 1200fps. if i owned an S-12, i'm sure i couldn't reliably cycle reduced recoil loads. personally, i would choose #1buck in 12g ballistically, 20g is plenty enough to get the job done. if 20g 2 3/4" #3buck won't cut it, then you need to move up to a .223 or 7.62 if you're thinking you'll need to penetrate body armor...but we're talking home defense scenarios here, not SWAT raids...i haven't heard of gung-ho home invaders actually using vests, but i could be wrong the standard 12g loading is OObuck 9pellets. effective. some "experts" say that #1buck 16pellets will actually leave a more devastating wound cavity due to more projectiles in the same hit area. the same experts generally agree that #4buck is the smallest pellet size you would want to depend on. the standard available home defense 20g loading is 2 3/4" #3buck 20pellets. that sounds plenty effective to me and 20g has the added bonus of less recoil and faster/more accurate follow up shots. i'm still waiting to see some 20g 2 3/4" #2buck. so far i've only found 3". seen some novelty 20g 00buck, but no thanks as for ammo deals/hi-cap mag availability, 12g wins hands down. the supply had dried up when i was shopping for an s-12. auction sites were selling for $800. i lucked out and found a retailer with an s-20 for $330 + shipping. jumped on it with no regrets, even when s-12's came back down to $500-550
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