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How are Saiga 12 and 20 barrels held in the Saiga actions? Are they threaded and if so what size and pitch are the threads. Ed

Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comb stock, handles recoil great.Neat looking work... Ed About our 2.17" 585 BB case for lever guns, pistols, etc,. It is made from our 585 case cut back to 2.17" long. With loaded length of about 2.8" work in lever guns, etc. Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70. One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel, to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case that holds

Here we kill two birds with one stone so to speak, Best case sizer is the MEC Collet Super Sizer and it can double as a case holder when we roll crimp. Much better hold than the ones made to hold cases for crimping, that cost a lot. Save cost of a holder, plus have best sizer around Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock. Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture. The scope rail is a picca

Sorry to be away so long, health, getting old, and interruptions. Here is picture of a lightweight Barnes bullet in 24ga FH. Guys cut the back off of 750gr bullet off to get 500gr weight. Here is picture 58 cal Minie slug that's little long on the side for our 12ga sabot, with the front of the slug above the grooves swaged to fit in sabot. The swaged front third of the slug fits next to the internal ridge in sabot and the sabot doesn't bulge out.Just run front into a die and punch it back out. And some info about 12ga FH and other hopped up shotgun slug loads, Y

The 12ga FH isn't the first wildcat case built on BMG brass, it was preceded by target rounds like the necked down 338 Talbot, the cut off 700 DKT for big game, necked down to .416 and . 458, and more, but the following one was way before them, in my favorite rifle caliber, for .585" bullets. One of first modern era 585 caliber wildcats, since WW2, the 575 Miller-Greiss Magnum, was first mentioned in the fifties, It was made from BMG brass shortened to 2.70" long and necked up from 50 cal to .585". But actually if cut off first, it would be annealed, necked down to hold 585 bullet.

Here is picture of our NEF 12ga FH with Hogue Compstock. It has the recoiling cam and springs in the hollow butt plus some weght, Here is a variety of slugs and bullets that fit in the 12ga dangerous game slug, lock on sabot. BPI sells that DG slug. . There is couple 585 videos on Swann Gunsmithing's Facebook site; Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1, that was done in Australia.It was set up for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That gun killed the first AUS buff, killed by a 585HE, that I posted picture of above. You can go direct to the page and click o

For lightweight plinking, deer hunting, etc, in 585HE as well as 24ga FH here is picture of 58cal Hornady sabot that holds .451/.452" light bullets 225 to 300 gr. A way to shoot targets economically. Low recoil but a big bang and satisfaction. A 250 gr bullet would go about mach 4 with a top load.. Here is what 585 bull barrel, target blank looks like, 1 5/8" OD and 32" long. It'll go in heavy action of some kind. 4th one from the left. The one in yellow sleave on top, is a heavy contoured one with muzzle of .980". we got a bunch of them and so does McGowen.

Have a site going to change to cover our 585 stuff.No 410 stuff. Guys asking about using 585 CEB bullet in our 12ga super sabot. Here is picture, We just took off the bottom band and couple middle bands on the CEB and it fit perfect in our 12ga sabot, which uses .575" slugs. Hollowpoint one pictured 700gr in the sabot loaded in brass case. Can be used in plastic case with a special made hollowed out long roll crimper. Getting some more interest in our 585HE. An application for our 585 HE is for guys with old military 14.5mm PTRDs, to use our case with chamber

Here is picture of 100 cases loaded with CEB solid nose bullets and hollowpoints. This bullet is a turned solid with wide meplat or wide hollowpoint. . Here is picture of triball loads that fellows like for deer and hogs, and just general tear em up fun, with using BPGS seal to improve sealing under what are heavier loads. The balls are .600" and 315gr. each. The wadcup is a TUPRW123 that Precision sells. Our 585 caliber is modern bolt action continuance of the 577 Nitro Express rimmed case, that many big game hunters like, usually set up in double rifles. It has

First AUS buffalo killed by 585HE. By Tankhunter with his Ruger #1. If you use closeup on picture, you see loaded round on the buffs hide next to the 585HE Ruger #1.... A nice heavy barreled gun..Ed I put the 585 in a Savage 112, lots of room lengthwise, figuring out an extractor is a problem, but then got a look at the savage 212, the 12 ga one with big diameter bolt and locking lugs. Its locking lugs are bigger than the lugs in a big PH bolt action. So one day will do one on a Savage 212, and adjusting extractor to fit no problem...Ed

Finally got back to forums.Been busy with 24ga FH and 585HE and getting 585 cases made, as many as possible... We are now working a bit with 24ga FH and here is picture of it with our 585HE case. Both use same bullets/slugs, same bore barrels. Main use difference, 24ga FH easy setup in break actions and 585HE in bolt actions and falling blocks. Picture of non-discarding 585/24ga sabot cup I found that holds 458 bullets and slugs tight. It had hammerhead type slug in it that was pulled out and they wouldn't stay in tight. Sabot was a loose fit in 20ga, made for 20ga,

Here is picture of 24ga cases, loads; and some slugs and seals. Brass cases are 3", plastic cases are 2.5". Brass 3" can be loaded to match 577NE power. Here is of 24ga in an 87 Win, just test gun of mine. Uses same barrels as our 585HE, This one has slow twist for Minie bullets.Our guys have got supply of regular and slow twist barrels. Here is picture of the first 585HE done and shooting in Australia. It is owned by the poster, 'tankhunter' on the AR forums. Built by his smith who has a reamer. Guys there can get cases from Bertram, and there will soo

Here is good simple system with big hollowbase slugs to stop the skirts from deforming, I found that dense dow foam works good, I was using glue gun but dow foam is easier, Just cut plugs out of foam sheet and force into the base. Make a tight fit, use spot of glue inside, glue that is for foam.... Trim off the foam flush..In picture is 10 ga 900gr slug. How we get good 24ga plastic seals with protusion on top that fits up inside 58cal Minie base, same bore as 24ga and our 585HE. I get the 24ga seal by cutting apart the BPI 24ga Brush wad, getting two seals out of each.Wor

Some guys in 12ga like to use the Magtech brass cases but the cases being brass the sides are thinner than plastic, and that makes loose fit in 12ga chambers. And case expand a lot and are harder to resize, But I found that .750 hollowbase 10ga slug fits those cases and still chambers ok. Not a sloppy fit. So If you have a 12ga smooth barrel with full length backbore job, of .850" bore or bigger you could use the Magtech brass and ,850" size 10ga hollowbase slugs. Now these .850" slugs won't go in a 12ga plastic case and chamber in regular 12ga chamber. Brett in MN used the

Here is picture of 24ga FH in the Mossberg bolt gun. On a Mossy 390 frame, .585" heavy barrel, same as 24ga size. Chamber is set up 3" with shotgun style forcing cone, so it can use 2.5" plastic cases and 2.5" Magtech brass cases with slugs or shot and for 3" cases we use 577NE 3" brass. Really make a hairy 24ga using the 440gr to 540 gr Minie bullets at 21-2400. If you take 540 Minie bullet mould and leave out base pin you'd have a 650gr that would do. All these bullets and slugs as well as jacketed and turned 577/585 bullets work in 24ga as well as my 585HE. And the smaller Mini

Another use for 58cal Minie Bullets would be to setup a 24ga FH. Minie bullets cheap to cast and buy. We use the .575-.577" in our 12ga sabot, and the .585-.587 in my 585HE. And you could use 577 NE bullets also. For those in shotgun only areas there is a way. You can get 2.5" Magtech brass cases, but also you can set up a 3" chamber and use 577NE 3" brass. Grafs shows some under 4 bucks each. Cheaper than getting them made. And if you set up chamber with shotgun style forcing cone you could shoot shorter Magtech as well as plastic cases. Reason to use 577 cases, they are stronge

Here is picture of the group improvement a guy had shooting our sabots in a real tight barrel. Actually an undersize barrel compared to Savage and Nef barrels. Had a wide open group with shotgun powder but made it much smaller using much more of the slower 4759. There is a guy now in Canada with our sabots for guys there and other countries, and as well, he can ship back to here. He plans on supplying the .58cal slugs also for the sabots if guys can't get them or don't cast their own....... Contact is- jeff.a.white at gmail.com If things work out for him he plans on gett

In above post we compare the top thickness of sabots .Here is comparison of the thickness of the sides of two types of brass 12ga cases, the RMC turned case and the thinner Magtech drawn case. Easy to see you can't size with same dies and sometimes you have to use different wads.. In posts earler in the thread you saw variety of wad columns with 12ga sabots and here is picture of my favorite wads to go between seal and sabot. The white felt ones from BPI. They compress down evenly on firing, easy to load, decent price, You've seen the work on our 585HE posted. Folks a

Here is picture of our 12ga sabots with the marks that the barrel lands made, marked with black marker. The one with narrow mark is Savage barrel and one with wide mark is an Abolt barrel. And the ones fired in Savage and NEFs with the narrow lands the marks impressed into the plastic getting good bite and not twisting the petals. The one from abolt he used slower powder for easier start and it open petals ok, without twisting petals like the faster powder did for him. .. Next is picture showing top edge of sabots. Our sabot on left you roll crimp down over the inside of it a

One of our sabot testers with tight barrel, Abolt, with wide lands in the barrel, who couldn't do any good at all with our sabot and Alliant Steel and one type of slug, had to go to IMR 4759. It would twist up the sabot petals. Terrible accuracy. My guns have NEF/Sav size barrels and worked fine with Steel as well as 4759. Petals open perfect. The Abolt barrel is about .005" smaller than NEF/Sav and the lands over twice as wide as the NEF. And has real narrow grooves. Guys with Nefs say sabots open fine like ours here. He went to different Minie slug and our slow powder

Here is picture of current 58cal slug options that you can get molds for from Lyman, Just make sure they are .574" to .577" diameter, the best size for the 12ga sabots. A barrel of 585HE cases..Ed Made by Bertram and I tested them to max loads and cases hardly expanded, 650gr over 3000 fps. The same draws used by him to make high pressure Cheytac cases, and to finish mine just uses belted header and cases left straight and trimmed longer.He makes tens of thousands Cheytac steady all the time now and can make ours steady also when needed.....Ed

We have moved few thousand sabots.More here. Here is picture of an 8ga wad with tube slug in it, we made. A pallet load of our 585HE cases has arrived in the US and will be here in little while. And should be another pallet of them this fall. Here is picture of our 585 with the solid turned CEB bullets in them. Here is some helpful, simple math to help figure out the kinetic energy of your loads, just by having bullet weight and speed. Just put these multipliers which are used for each speed, on a list and multiply by the bullet weight in grains. Fast and easy.Ed

Here is 16ga discarding sabots made from grey ones with other 16ga slugs.. 20 ga factory sabot on left for comparison. Here is picture of 12ga wads showing good and bad support. Here are 2 sabots on the right with super heavy tungsten slug. It is 1100gr, but tungsten costs ten times what lead costs. Here is a sabot home defense or close range defense load setup using our sabot. It has five flattened 45cal balls in it. Flattened into a fat disc weighing 145gr each. You'd star crimp it or use card over them and roll crimp. Like having a bunch of supersize flat

What causes sabot problems/inaccuracy. Some pictures will help. First 2 shows a skinny post that pushes on a cushion or sabot bottom and it can bend or deflect which if that way when exiting barrel can start sabot or slug crooked. And more important item that can cause lack of accuracy is if base of discarding sabot tapers or steps down so that it isn't real tight as it leaves bore, which can allow it to be cocked. On the left is our sabot which has base right and other brand which tapers a bit. Easy to see. Next is a ball and slug load in 2 of our sabots. A 285gr .575" ball f

The sabots work in brass cases .First is sabot in a Magtech brass case, next to 3" plastic.. In shorter brass it would hold about as much powder as in longer plastic if loaded like in the picture.. Sabots are about .734-735" with slugs in them, and the Magtech brass with its thin sides still is slightly small OD at the top compared to plastic, with sabot wedged in. Next is sabot in RMC case, and sides are full thickness like plastic cases at the mouth, so don't expand case to hold sabot. We have RMC make case mouth ID to fit sabot. Sabot being little over fits barrels tight a