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Stock Saiga, or converted. For a stock saiga I used a modified Tapco G2, and improved trigger and group size.
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Went to the indoor range to sight in my High Standard AKMS47 Hungarian under-folder, and thought I would take my "almost returned to stock " Saiga IZ132 for a walk, too. I wanted to see if the red dot retined zero after removing and re-installing. The ammo was Tulammo 122 FMJ, and it was a casual rest on the bench. Shots wer at the rate of about 3 shots every two seconds.
Well, I am in love... The main reason for the trip to the range was to sight in the High Standard built Hungarian under-folder. It is built on a HIgh Standard US lower, using a Hungarian AK63D kit.I fired about 100 rounds of Tulammo 122 FMJ with zero malfunctions. They must have laser bore sighted it when they built it, because I just had to drift a tidge to one side, and raise the POS one full turn on the front sight. POA = POI at 25 yards on 200 meter setting.This group was 11 rounds, semi-rapid fire (about 3 shots in two seconds) from a casual rest. The Texas Trigger double hook FCG was smooth as silk, and helped.
I replaced the awful Hungarian ugly wood pistol grip with a brown bakelite one I had. The sling is a NOS Hungarian leather AK sling (looks like a belt mated with a leather Romanian sling), and a correct NOS matching number Hungarian bayonet.I really like the parkerized finish. It looks to be a quality build. Rivets all even and rounded, corners crisp on the receiver, FSB and gas block straight, chrome lined barrel, and the bolt and the trunnion are matching numbers. Fit and finish are first class. The mag is an Izzy bakelite rivet blocked at 10 rounds.
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Best of luck. Respectfully. Seriously. I got out of CA back in 1987. Political refugee then. There has to be some point where a moral and law abiding citizen must decide to not comply with illegal or unjust laws? I for one now live in SW OR USA. Difference is like night and day. Just saying.
Day and Night ... including ... No state sales tax. No vehicle smog checks, controls or local regulations. None on the fore see able horizon. No mag cap laws. NFA stuff legal and good. Gun mounted nite vision fine. Tracer and AP ammo fine during wet weather. County total tax load light.
ZERO local air pollution except for some idiot wood stove owners. ZERO. Fifty mile visibility. Endless conifer forests. Only two paved roads South of us for miles and miles and miles. Thirty five miles from Pacific Ocean. Varied climate. Air conditioning not needed. Just about perfect.
Edited and expanded by idiot HB of CJ so there!
Sounds like you are up by Coquille, OR I own a rental house there. originally was going to be retirement home, but things changed.
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Well, I decided. I returned the Saiga to Sporter (sort of, I used standard AKM gas tube and handguard), and bought a Hungarian under-folder from Atlantic Firearms. It will be at my dealer day after tomorrow.I mounted a Tasco red/green dot on the Saiga for a hog-thumper, and the Hungarian will get registered. I felt if I was going to register anything, it would have to be cool enough to make it worth the hassle!
The saiga goes nicely with my other featureless gweapons: Kel-Tech SU-16 B, and Inland M1 carbine.
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Use a hose clamp against the front of the FSB as a guide. Cut 180 degrees, then rotate the clamp so the screw thing doesn't get in the way. You can use a crush washer or a spark plug washer to index what ever you put on it. An AMD65 brake is cool.
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Sounds like it's time for you to register them then. Hope it all works out well for you.
A quote from John Adams comes to mind here....
True, but there were a lot more issues than gun control that the colonists revolted against. If you look at the Bill or Rights, the British were pretty much doing all of the things listed to the Colonists.
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Are you seriously considering registering it?
Yes. I could go featureless to avoid registration, but I would have to remove the forward grip and keep the stock pinned, and put a grip wrap on again; which sort off defeats the purpose of the build. I had it with a kydex paddle and fixed stock for featureless already.
They (the gun grabbers) read Calguns, too. I really seriously doubt that kydex grip wrap featureless builds will survive some Attorney General's administrative ruling that because it has a grip underneath...etc. Hmmerheads and MMGs are probably the best bet, but I am not holding my breath on them. One of my 3 ARs will have a hammerhead and stay unregistered.I shot it up by my daughter's place in Medford Oregon like this, and it was absolutely nuts how cool it was to shoot with folding stock, forward grip, and 30s.... I have been doing AKs since the mid 80s (I had a RAW Chinese back in the 90s), including assorted fixed and underfolder RPKs (AES 10Bs), Yugo M70s, WASRs, East German, Polish, Saiga conversions in assorted calibers, etc. This is absolutely my favorite configuration. If you use the sling to "backpack it" it is very comfortable and out of the way. Chinese 4 cell Type 81 chest pouch on the front, and AK on the back is very balanced.I can't answer for you, and I am sorry that so many in CA have thrown their freedom away by accepting this. All I can say with certainty is when (not if) this becomes a quandary for all of us on a federal level, I will not comply and will be organized with like minded citizens.
Nice thought, but refusing to register makes me a felon. I've worked the Jails as a deputy. I have no desire to be on the other side of the bars, and believe me, you would be if caught. They win then, too.
It is also easy to say "move out of state". Easier said than done. Kids and grandkids all over the state. Moving away from them just to not register is stupid. It is letting them deprive me of access to my family. They win in that scenario, also.
They have had registration of AWs in 1990 and 2000. Those weapons are still in the hands of their owners for the last 26 years.
If I register, I keep my guns, and keep my home, job, and family. If they do confiscate years down the road, they all go to Oregon.
Yes, the law is a load of horse sh*t. It is unfair and I believe unconstitutional.
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Effective 1-1-2017, all semi-auto rifles that have an evil feature (pistol grip, flash hider, collapsable stock) and have a magazine that can be removed without totally disassembling the weapon must be registered as an assault weapon. NO more mag-lock or bullet button work around. It can not be passed down to family members in the state, and you are limited where you can shoot it. Saiga sporters, M1 Carbine, KelTec SU16s, Ruger Mini14/30, SKS, and M1A are exempt, as they have no evil features. The good news is (if there is any) once it is registered as an assault weapon, you no longer need the bullet button or pinned stocks.Here's they Saiga IZ132I AKM-ed. I don't know whether to restore it to stock sporter to avoid registration, or register so I can loose the mag lock and un-pin the stock! It is so freaking hot as it is!
The one Tula Bakie in it is rivet blocked to 10 rounds, and the Polish stock is bolted in the open position by a long tang bolt that engages the arm and blocks folding.It is a Com-Block solidarity build: Russian Saiga, East German vented gas tube, cleaning rod, and grey canvas sling , Bulgarian laminate top handguard on the gas tube, Romanian bakelite pistol grip and "donkey dick" handguard with grip, Polish Tantal folding stock (military version that has one top bolt and engages the pistol grip nut). US 922R parts are Tapco G2 FCG and Gas Piston, US made bolt hold open mag followers from Desert Fox, US made Tactical Tri Delta Brake (no longer produced).
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This one does not rattle. The upward angle of the hole in the hand guard presses it securely against the bottom of the barrel. ANd yes, cleaning rods work best for stuck cases and plugged bores. Unplugging a bore with a shoe lace or bore snake doesn't work very well.
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I actually use it and the buttstock kit to clean the rifle. If it was just for looks, I wouldn't bother, LOL.
Youtube "Using AK cleaning kit". There is a video out there that explains how to use it. Did you know the cap of the cleaning kit is a muzzle guide for the cleaning rod to protect the crown when cleaning? The body of the kit is a cleaning rod handle, and a handle to open the gas tube lock, putting the tab in a slot on the kit body. Other neat stuff about it, too.
German HK G3 kits in the rectangular OD plastic box are neat AK kits, too. They use a pull chain. The oversized brush in it works great in AK gas tubes. I have one for my PTR91 HK G3 clone. Great kit!
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For as long as I have been converting Saigas (since about 2007), I wondered about mounting the cleaning rod on a 7.62x39 IZ132 Saiga, WITHOUT changing the gas block and front sight base.
First, the Saiga comes with a 20" skinny rod, with the outside diameter and thread pattern of AK74 and AK 103 Izsmash rifles. I guess the 20" simplifies supply for both 16" and 20" Saigas. There is no way short of major machine shop to shorten it to 16". I got a Bulgarian AK74 rod. It worked when I replaced the FSB with a 24mm one and an Ak103 brake. With the standard SAIGA FSB and Gas Block, using Kvar polymer, or used Comm Block wood, the cleaning rod was too loose, just flopping around.
On my 7th conversion (the one prior to this one, I had A set of Russian AKM wood for it. I mounted it with a CSS bolt on handguard retainer. I once again tried the 20" factory rod. Besides being to long, it was still flopping around.
I was cleaning the safe out, and found a cleaning rod from a WASR I had years ago in the back safe. I pushed it in, and when inserted fully, the angle of the rod hole, the tightness of the rod, actually torqued the cleaning rod against the bottom of the barrel, nestled in the bottom of the FSB, behind the lock washer. The edge of the 14mm crush washer caught it and kept it from sliding forward under recoil. the tension created by the angle of the hole kept it in place. I use a Romanian buttstock cleaning kit, to match the thread pattern of the rod.
I added a 5/8" crush washer between the end of the barrel and the 14mm crush washer. It gave just a little more edge for it to catch on to be safe.
Fast forward a couple years now, and after a couple thousand rounds through that Saiga and the current Saiga, the cleaning rods have stayed in place using this system. It is so tight, that I have to use the punch from the cleaning kit in the hole at the end of the cleaning rod, to use it as a T handle to pull it out.While I sold the last Saiga with the cleaning rod, I picked up another AKM rod from Desert Fox Sales for this one. I think it is Polish or East German. It is tight like the Romanian rod was.
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Nice daylight pictures! Restored Saiga IZ132 7.62x39 rifle, Russian Tula Arsenal bakelite and Russian Izzy factory 10 rounders. In the spirit of International worker's solidarity, assorted Com-Block steel magazines, Chi-Com Type 81, four cell chest rig, and Chinese steel core ammo.
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I got a standard AKM cleaning rod from Desert Fox, since the Saiga came with a 20" smaller diameter rod. I have an AKM cleaning kit for the buttstock. The natural angle of the hole for the cleaning rod through the front handguard is at an upward towards the muzzle angle. This presses the muzzle end of the cleaning rod up against the barrel with some tension, and even under recoil, it hits the edge of the crush washer to keep it from moving any farther forward.
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I opted for the DPH steel bolt on handguard retainer:
https://dpharms.com/products/saiga_furniture/saiga_bolt-on_~28diy~29lower_handguard_retainer.html.
It works for for .308 (without bushings) or 223. 7.62x39, and 5.45 (with bushings). The bushings have a machined ridge that engages a matching machine channel on the retainer. It is a great system.
It comes with a short set screw that engages the barrel on the .308, or the top of the bushing on the other calibers. I decided to drill an oversized hole through the bushing and use a longer set screw, so that it passed through the bushing to engage the barrel. Where it engage the top of the barrel, I drilled a shallow divot in the barrel so the set screw would sink a little below the surface, and not be able to slip forward under recoil. It works like the lateral groove on the top of a standard AK that the pivot lock bar of the retainer engages. I also used a couple drops of Krazy Glue on the retainers to hold them centered on the retainers.
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Everything ready to go: Probably do the assembly tomorrow morning.
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Seriously, most of the time I don't even have the red dot and side mount on mine. The less weight the better. This will be especially true after I do my restoration with Bulgarian AK74 wood furniture. I thought of going Tapco furniture for light weight, but what the heck, I could throw my Saiga off the roof with the Bulgie wood furniture on it, and it won't even crack. The AK platform is just too darn tough.
I generally use a Factory 10 rounder in the weapon, because it is light and handy, but if I want a 30, I use a Tula "ridgeback" Bakelite mag.
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I watched a video where the Russian soldier put the lip of a beer bottle cap on the top of the rail and hit it with the palm of his hand just right....
It would be interesting if someone incorporated it for stability in a top rail system. Maybe a full picatinny high-strength dust cover... Anything wrong with that idea?
Black Aces Tactical has a rail that attaches both to the barrel and the receiver side mount for extra rigidity. It works pretty well.WTF?????? That has to be the lamest "Tacticool" cr@p I have ever heard of! LOL Rigidity for a 16 inch barrel?????? Hahahaha. 7 years military and 20+ years LEO (most of that as a training officer and firearms instructor) I can see NO practical use for that, except to fill their bank accounts...
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OK, trigger plate off, and bottom of receiver cleaned and sanded. Then two coats of Rustoleum semi-gloss black. It is an identical match to Saiga factory paint. Somehow I ended up with an extra Saiga trigger guard in my stuff, so I am leaving the trigger guard on the bottom plate, as I could feasably restore it to "factory" if need be...
I now have the triggerguard mounted. Essentially its a Russian AK103 barreled receiver now, LOL! I thought of putting a 24mm FSB on it, but I really like the short, compact TriDelta brake I put on after I cut back the shroud and threaded the barrel.Waiting on Bulgarian wood stock set and and handguard retainer. Everything else is ready to go.My 922R parts (so I can run it featureless with my Munkieboi grip and my mags left over from my 1990 RAW Poly-tech AK I had until 2000)Tapco G2 single hook FCG- 3 US partsWeapon Tech BHO and Tapco Followers - 1 part (a Tula Bakelite 30 with a Weapons Tech BHO folower is pretty neat!)Tapco pistol grip (under the grip wrap) - 1 partCustom Muzzle Brakes "Tactical Tri-Delta Comp" - 1 part.That makes my count good, but if I need one more, I have a Tapco stainless gas piston, also.
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Well, I have had my current Saiga 7.62x39 IZ132 for 4 or 5 months now. I have been running it Semi-Stock California "Featureless" with the modified handguard and Modified Tapco G2. I love the Saiga, and it (mine) is very accurate.
10 shots, rapid fire from a casual rest at 25 meters:
However, it is just TOO long to be handy. At the moment, I am switching to the AK platform for my "Go To" weapons platform, and I want it to be a lot handier than the stock Saiga is! I'll put up with theRooting around in my parts, I have everything I need to "Restore it" to intended pistol grip condition (including a Munkieboi Kydex grip paddle and a standard AKM gas tube), except the standard stock set. In fact, rooting through my parts, I discovered six trigger plates left over from my 7 prior Saigas that I already restored since about 2006 or 2007! Yep, I like restoring Saigas!I thought about tricking it out with the new "Tacti-Cool" Magpul furniture, but for now, I'll just toss a set of used $49 Bulgarian furniture on it and call it good. If it gets beat up, I don't care. Also, It will look much cooler with my pre-2000 Tula Bakelite mags! That's why God made Rustoleum semi-gloss black! It should look like the last one I restored: This will be my eigth restoration, BTW!First one I did:
Then this:
Second one: 7.62x39
Third one
fourth one:
fifth one:
sixth one:
Seventh one:
The one I am starting work on will be my eigth one, I guess! LOL-
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I have yet to find a side mount of ANY kind that centers over the bore! LOL
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!993 is as early as I have every heard of.
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Crap shoot. Some are, some aren't. If I were going through the trouble and expense of getting a can and registering it, I do a build with a Green Mountain barrel. They have been making match grade barrels for many years. They started with black powder , and specialty long gun barrels in powerful calibers.
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Holy hell - what's going on with prices?
in Saiga 7.62 X 39
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I saw only two well used Saiga 7.62x39 (unconverted) on Gunbroker, last time I looked. They were about $1,000 a piece....