VWBeamer

I have a mossberg for home defense and a saiga 12 for national defense. The guns are picky. I would suggest the stock 5 round mag also.

I love you too. So, if we don't talk about it, the threat will go away?

So, who thinks there will be a push to ban "assault" weapons again? Think current weapons will be grandfathered in? Maybe certain features will be banned, like folding stocks, pistol grips,etc Think the large hi cap mags will be banned?

I actually laughed out loud...funny stuff.

Would it be possible to design a tappet with piston ring. I think it would solve a lot of problems if it didn't foul.

I'm in.

Looks better than that other kit.

I wouldn't sweat it.

This. I did A and B, 20 minutes MAX, being extra careful not to screw up my new 300 dollar drum.

No need for it, but it's cool thing to do.

I'm not saying that it's definitely a mistake, but you must have noticed what a crappy translation the "English" owner's manual is. You can barely make sense of some of the sentences in there. Think about it. True. but a little oil ain't going to kill you either or it would have already happened.

You must be a democrat....trying to save me from myself. You the same type that make me wear my seat belt in my own car. Tax cigarettes because they are bad for me. So thanks for the advice, but don't flame me because I'm doing what it says to do in the owners manual.

not rying to flame, but i see no purpose for .410 beside target shooting. It really doesn't have enough juice to kill anything larger than a rabbit. If the .410 was measured in gauge size, it would b a 68 gauge IIRC. Think about that. The 12 has the largst selection of ammo, and that's why i got it. The 20 is tempting. 80% of the power, 50% of the recoil.

ok, you are right, and the owners manual is wrong. Hey, let's trust this anonymous poster on the internet and ignore the instructions in the owners manual that came with the 600 dollar shotgun I just bought.

See all that carbon on your Bolt in your AR? Notice how hard it is to get off? Guess where else it's building up...the gas port and gas tube. Were you in the Military? If so and I caught you "Spraying CLP all over the whole gun" or oiling the gas system, chamber or bolt face I'd have you busted down to Seaman Recruit and cleaning bilges. WTF, Seaman Recruit. The Navy typically do not use there weapons in the same conditions as ground troops. this why you have no real world experience with weapons. The dust in the middle east can be very fine, almost like talcum powder. You either s

I respect your opinion, and no doubt it applies to other weapons and is good advice as a precaution for the saiga 12. I think it's sound advice for the chamber to be checked before firing any weapon. In the saiga owner's manual it does say to check chamber before firing and to wipe any fouling or grease from it. There is no warning not to fire it with oil in the chamber. I refuse to believe there is a great danger, or we would have documented cases of catastrophic failures. After a quick GIS, I can find none. In fact I can find no documentation of a catastrophic failure of any saiga,

+1 good read, very helpful. All he proved is that he has never read the owners manual that came with his saiga 12 shotgun, because it specifically tells you to lube the chamber.

I forget to mention, in the saiga manual it specifically says to oil the chamber. This from page 20 of my manual- -after cleaning is done, lubricate the barrel bore, the chamber and choke tube with clean rifle oil. and not just a thin film either, it says to use a bore brush dipped in rifle oil - On table 4 of the same page it states The bolt, bolt support, receiver guides-/..Wipe he components with waste soaked in rifle oil and wrung out Think the Russian are unaware of oil causing chambers to explode?? It also states the whole shotgun should be kept cleaned and lubr

You concern is respected, but I remain unconvinced. Non of the above applies to a shot gun. a freaking plastic shell is not gripping the chamber. Not to get in a pissing contest, but I have fired more rounds thru a AR-15 than most here, unless they have also served. In the desert, we would spray CLP all over the whole gun. Out of the millions of rounds fired , never heard of a catastrophic failure. Never had a warning not to spray the gas system or chamber. If it was that big of a problem, why is there no warning in the saiga owner's manual? But, since this common knowledge, an

"Old time shooters warned me of never putting any cleaning solvent or oil in the gas cylinder. Something about gumming everything up. Hmmm. This I just had to see. So I proceeded to clean the cylinder with solvent and lightly lube it and the piston with gun oil. Never found any gum and the rifle always functioned normally. It was just "butts" talk if you know what I mean. Well meaning people repeating what they had heard 20 years before. I sleep better knowing that my rifles are clean. I think it was Elmer Keith who said: "The sun never sets on a dirty gun". http://www.snipercountry.com

Nice. I second the need for a sling.

Others use oil in the gas system also, in this case 2 stroke motor oil. http://www.m1-m1a-ar15.com/careandcleaning.html BTW, do what you feel is safe.

just curious, why? I served 7 years in the US Army, we sprayed break free on everything. The problem is the saiga is not designed to fire low brass.

I apologize for my smart remark. it worked for me.

sounds scary to me. You scare easy. You should stay home, and leave the weapons to the big boys.