[My biggest problem with Saiga's]

Just a quick question. Glock was developed in Austria. Is that a western country? It meets the criteria of fewest parts and utterly reliable under virtually all conditions. Just wondering.

 

No. Austria was on the front line, bordering soviet Hungary (which was, before WWI part of the Astra-Hungarian state, partitioned after WWI), but they (Austria) were Western after WWII.

They had to pay massive reparations to the soviets after the war, but the west helped them stay out of soviet control. However, many Austrian manufacturing facilities for a period after WWII were under soviet control due to a loophole stating that "any German owned assets" could be used to pay reparations to Russia for their part in the war effort & Austria Had strong socioeconomic ties with Germany (Hitler was even Austrian.) This included their manufacturing base, oil fields & much much more. Reparations were completed in, I believe the early 60's to a tune of the mid $7-billions. But afterward, although the eastern part of Austria was left in shambles it was turned back over to the Austrians & the prosperity of the west rehabilatated the formerly eastern occupied zones.

 

During the period of soviet occupation, when their manufacturing facilities were controlled by the soviets, they possibly could have made soviet weaponry, which could have influenced the Glock-17. (Which I carry with me everywhere I go) But this is pure speculation on my part. I have never looked in to this.

 

Don't worry, its not your fault. Our educational system seems to discourage education of much outside of the U.S., most likely as a form of populous control.

 

As a side note, Yes, the governor of California & Adolf Hitler are of the same Heritage.

[15.2% unemployment here in Mi...]

Unemployment rates here in Mi just reached 15.2%....

 

I just wanted to thank all the vendors and individuals that have ordered shirts through us for all the support...

 

Cost of business is so stupid here.. I really need to think about moving... hard to do with a home that is paid off...

and no houses selling.....

 

That, or with Mi min wage going up to 10 bucks an hr (Oh, yes... it's true!!! that should help unemployment!!).... Get a Job at Mc Donnalds....

 

Either way.. I need to be spending more time making my press spin...

Sadly, that means less time posting here and other places...

 

I'm stuck here for at least 2 more years or they will hijack my kids prices at UofM... (out of starters pays twice as much..)

 

Let alone making some extra money for some much desired training with S.I.

 

we need to ramp up production and speed to facilitate more work and get firmly in the black...

Too much charity work has put a hurtin' on us.....

 

We are also gearing up for a new urban teen outreach in Lansing... It position is voluntary..... but I don't do it for the money...

 

anyhow.. I will be around...Just not as much.... at least for a while....

 

Again... Thank You for carrying me this far, Brothers and Sisters...!

I am honored to know you and be a small part of all the good things going on here!!!

More good stuff to come!!!

 

Semper Fi

Drew

 

PS.. internet Trolls.. I am watching....

 

Juggs, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, I spent a couple years running a S.I.A.S. large format Italian inline 4 color screen press. The industry is getting hit HARD by the depression & production going overseas. That's why I left printing altogether. Most shops around here are down to skeleton crews & have had to lay off some great Pressmen, many of my friends are suffering through this as we speak.

May I suggest (I know it's distasteful) capitalizing on current events at flea markets or even street corners with small runs immediately after high profile events take place while people are emotional & feel they want to do ANYTHING small to make a statement on the issue? Just until we rebound?

 

Keep your chin up.

 

At any rate THANK YOU everyone who makes products or sells products made here in the states. YOU, not our government or large corporations, are the only way we will eventually recover from this mess.

 

Good Luck.

 

(Proud Journeyman member of the Graphic Communications International Union. G.C.I.U.)

[Obama awards Medal of Freedom to America hater.]

Photoguy, if you feel we are ALL completely encompassed in the steriotypical view that that the far left perpetuates you are wrong.

You seem to me to be an instigator trolling this & most likely other gun or "right-wing" forums for the advancement of the R.N.P.'s political agenda.

I apologize if I am wrong (but I doubt I am), as I myself have worked in the past for one of the two major political parties & am familiar with the manipulation of the people & how to stir up discontentment. For the most part you are preaching to the converted, so you are wasting your time here.

The correct place for your topics would be the political section, or fight club. (But I understand. You wouldn't get the widespread dissimination that your employers desire.)

[Russia and their silly subs]

I'm not worried. I spent 6 years on Nuc subs, and many months playing cat and mouse with them. They are fast, deep diving(due to their titanium hull), and very noisey. Their best sub the Akula(typhoon), dwarfed our largest sub(ohio), their the same length, but the akula is 3 times the displacement. Our newest sonar is so good that a sub sitting in port, can hear 400 mile out to sea. And if their out at sea, they can hear a whale fart a 1000 miles away. More than likely we have 1 or several more SSN's trailing them, they always do, it's part of our operational readiness training. The Russians do this every so often to let us know they are still around, even in a very diminished capacity. The russian Red Banner Fleet is just a limp pennent, compared to what they were in the 80's and 90's.

 

 

Saluting all our troops, on the ground, in the air, and on or beneath the waves.

 

Here's to you HERO'S

 

 

HUZZAH!! HUZZAH!! HUZZAH!!

 

Yeah, we have been playing these games for over half a century, my Pops was a "bubble-head" on a boomer, the SSBN Thomas Jefferson, doing the same thing to the Ruskys. And the cold war has never stopped under the sea.

The ones to be concerned about are the Chinese. Not to long ago a Chinese diesel boat surfaced in the CENTER of a U.S. carrier group, to our surprise. That kinda shit is why we use the new generation active sonar that Greenpeace is so pissed about. The Chinese are trying to play along with us & the Ruskys, but their inept allot of times, like that time a few years back when one of our planes "accidentally" knocked the Chinese Fighter jet piloted by Chineese pilot named "Wong Way"(no I didn't make that up, that was really the pronounciation of his name, you just can't make this shit up! ) out of the air when he tried to fly to close & spurred an international incident.

 

And I second that Salute to all you guys & gals currently serving & my fellow veterans. Civis have no idea all the bullshit one has to "suck up" while serving, to keep us secure.

God Bless You.

[So what do we look like]

 

I'd say "lucky" but I no longer must live under the U.C.M.J.'s jurisdiction... So I guess we're even.

Can you find any "unaccounted for ammo" off base to play with that? I almost "requisitioned" some Depleted Uranium that I thought was .50 cal once, for future use as a civi, but then I realized my nuts would glow if I was around it to long.

Do you guys get to fire the "hot" stuff through those? Mine would have been from the C.I.W.S. (which I later found wasn't standard .50(It LOOKED ok ))

[OK who else likes the SKS's]

I paid some D-B tweeker $20.00 to buy one for me when I was 15ish, It was a brand new russian for $120, I felt like rambo (so did my dipshit friend who started bump-fireing indiscriminately down the field with Chinese steel core armor piercing 7.62x39, until "farmer John" crested the hill waveing his arms sceraming! ). If you can get them cheap their good. I wouldn't pay much for them. Just the other day I saw a chineese for $700.00!!!! I felt like telling the guy to shovit up..... That drumed one was cool though.

 

At any rate, if you ever expect to use an sks in a real life or death situation, it should take AK mags so you can swap them out faster plus their more plentyful.

 

You should have seen the look on my fathers face when I gave it to him the day I was shipping off to bootcamp. He was like "How the fuck!"

[What does your screenname mean?]

I love butterfly knives,which are more properly called balisongs.Therefore if you are really good at flipping one,i am not,you should be able to call yourself the BALIBLASTER!

 

I used to play with those things, their kinda hypnotic when you get a good routine going real fast.

If you ever decide to practice (being able to open mine quicker than a switchblade was enough to deter a couple of altercations in my youth. luckily I didn't get shot.) remember a few things,

 

1. Only the BACK of the blade should be able to touch your hand.

2. DON'T practice while drunk.

3. DON'T practice close to your friends.

4. DON'T practice next to your dog, kid, cat, or anything/one that wouldn't appreciate having a knife thrown at it or them.

5. ABSOLUTLY NEVER bring a knife to a gunfight!!!!!!!!

6. If you pull a knife out, a person with their C.H.L. can now LEGALLY shoot you.

[Hollywood Flordia Cop gets caught framing a young lady.]

Man fuck this bullshit...I'm not even gonna waste my time lookin at the link. Bean wtf man? Haven't we already had enough damn cop hatin threads lately?

Don't worry cobra, I'll change the subject and help you cover this one up!

 

 

how am i doing?

 

 

 

 

 

Gotta make it hard for indy to keep this thread here for 22's sake...

 

I second that, sorry LEOs...

 

[I cant find any S-12 dragunov stocks I like!]

I used a hole saw on my drill press to gut the wood as I don't have a router. I think this way is easier anyhow. I just sanded it down with a hand-held belt sander for an hour I even tried an angle grinder, but settled on the belt sander. I only removed 1/4 inch, I need to remove 3/4" more. I REALLY wish I had a table saw or bandsaw! it is in the classic Dragunov shape though. This isn't that easy to do. Unless your bound & determined to have the pride of your own handcrafted stock, just buy one.

 

I cant find my camera's cable but I will post pics eventually.

[Why you should never talk to cops]

Heres what happens when you talk to cops in China!

 

"I have 3 demands or I'll kill the boy"

Police negotiators asses the situation from next door.

Police negotiators make first contact.

Negotiations begin.

Negotiations conclude

Negotiations are successful.

 

Here we would have closed the street indefinitely, Negotiated for umpteen hours, then spent 5 million dollars on giving him a fair trial & supplying him room & board for life.

 

Maybe that's why their products are so much cheaper than ours?

[I cant find any S-12 dragunov stocks I like!]

BattlerifleG3.

 

 

Dang this forum is good. Thanks! if I cant pull mine together I will defanetly go through him. He does beautiful work. I know where I'll get my fore grip now!

With the cost of supplies & my time, BattlerifleG3 would probably be cheaper than I will end up in to this making it myself... But then I wouldn't have an excuse to get a new jigsaw.

[I cant find any S-12 dragunov stocks I like!]

 

I am copying the SVT wood stock (the one on the bottom). I probably will buy or not worry about the leather cheek pad as I don't intend on mounting a scope.

This wood "purple heart" is next to iornwood, the hardest wood I have ever tried to work. I will probably spend $60+ on blades & sandpaper alone. Boy do I wish I had a bandsaw (I am using a Porter Cable recriprocating saw, Skillsaw & B&D jigsaw). Well I WAS using a B&D jigsaw, but I just smoked it. That wood is REAL TOUGH, & its fighting back! Time for a new jigsaw. I WILL NOT BE DEFEATED!!!

 

I started out tracing the factory Saiga's stock on the wood, then traced my Glock-17's grip in the correct position for where I want the grip with relation to the trigger. Then I drew the outside shape of the Dragunov-SVT over everything. I did all this so it ends up roughly the right size & my pistol grip part feels kinda like my Glock. (I am not a woodworker so I must PLAN WELL) After seeing its toughness, I figure I will gut the center with hole saws & drills then touch it up with rasps. I had planned on jig-sawing it out but it kills Bosch blades quick too! The tricky part will be fitting it in the right position in relation to the trigger. I want it close like the conversions. I also want to use both factory mounting holes & I don't want to cut ANY metal off the gun. I may end up welding a nut to the lower factory stock mounting hole though so I could run a bolt up through the pistol grip part, reinforcing the grip & mount at the same time.

I just cut the rough shape out, It took a while Cheap blades last about 10 seconds against this wood. Cheap tools don't fair so well either . I thought this wood was called Purple heart because of its coloring. I now am pretty sure it's because it never stops fighting when your wounding it. At least I'm confident that it can take the shock of this gun's recoil.

 

Gotta get to sleep though, My Psych unit is hoppin' & I work night-shift.

Ill try to get progress pics up soon. And a new jigsaw.

[I cant find any S-12 dragunov stocks I like!]

There was a dude on here who had made a really really nice wood skeleton stock for the unconverted configuration. I'll dig up the thread later, I gotta leave the office for a few hours. You ought to just go on and convert the thing, though.

 

 

Maybe I'm just justifying here, & I'm no giant but the A.K. dimensions feel small for me. I like having my hands spread out like they are with the stock trigger where it is. Also the next item on my wishlist is a couple of MD's drums. So I can't afford the conversion for a while.

[I cant find any S-12 dragunov stocks I like!]

I have searched & searched & I can't find any Dragunov style but-stocks that I like!

I have long arms & big hands, so the idea of the Dragunov stock conversion that does not relocate the trigger is appealing to me. Plus the Dragunov, to quote some guy I read, "looks like the devils own riffle" It is just one sexy-assed weapon.

All that I find out there are polymer "skeleton-stocks" Don't get me wrong, their nice, they look new-age, I'm sure their light as a feather & I have seen them for as low as $86.00.(I think from a business member here?) I mean that IS the cheapest simplest way to get a pistol grip, if you, like me don't mind a fixed stock.

But I want wood. Call me old fashioned but if you don't plan on humpin' the thing through the war of Armageddon, or ambushing people in the dark, wood comes out so beautiful & elegant. It will not IMO detarct from the weapon.

So I am about to try my hand at making one myself. I am starting out with Purple Hart, it is a hard-wood that seems to be the strongest but least brittle wood I can find, I understand it is used for semi-trucks flatbed trailers to haul bulldozers. It is heavy as all hell but I'll see how much I can lighten it when gutting the middle to make it Dragunov like.

I'm thinking of making a tommy-gun clone fore grip too.

 

Has anyone else tried this before? Any pointers? I searched the forum but not much Dragunov comes up.

 

Also here's a great niche for any of you entrapanureal woodworkers out there to fill!

 

I'll Post Pics when I'm done.

[Why you should never talk to cops]

[Hollywood Flordia Cop gets caught framing a young lady.]

True, all professions have their unethical members. This probably pisses off more cops than anyone else. I work in acute adult behavioral health sciences, ("the nut house" ) as a Phychotherapist & every time I hear about abuse or sexual misconduct in my profession I cringe. It makes me so pissed that a select few A$$ holes defame the names of so many people who sacrefice much to help others.

In their defense however They depend on each other for their lives so much that covering each other's a$$es is second nature. Thats no excuse though.

[So what do we look like]

 

Girlfriend at the time liked me blond. I'm back to natrual redish to light brown.

[So what do we look like]

OK, I guess since everyone is participating I decided to play along. Like I said though, just look at my avatar.

 

 

You kinda resemble Luca Bratzi from the movie the godfather too!

[X-Rays of Saiga 12 Magazines]

Thank you for your X-ray photos, I was on the fence about the MD-20, I have been doing alot of research about diffrent high capacity mags because the Pro-mag piece of crap I bought failed me miserably. it won't even lift 3" buck when I MANUALLY extract them! The x-ray of the MD-20 however is cementing my choice to buy it. Before I was concerned about the front wearing out & breaking with heavy use. You show the steel reinforcement . I don't know why mike doesn't mention that...?