i went to the range last weekend to take my 16" 308 for its first outing.i was very pleased with the results.i am certainly no exceptional marksmen,but i was able to (after reading aksrben's posts and lots of research) manage a best group of 4 at 7/8 inch in the rain.lol.i spent about half the day there and most of the other groups were in the 1.00 to 1.30 range.belive it or not i have a used millet scope with a 6x mag that i bought used on the bay for $40.and i also use the cr-10 and mimic bens break in.i hate to be a copy-cat........but if it gets results like that,ill keep on copying!lol!i