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  1. That is what I do. Clean it, lube it, and hand cycle in front of boob tube 4-500 times. Takes less than 8 min. If that makes your arm sore I believe I would not admit it. Whatever works, just make sure to change arms every so often...
  2. It sounds as if you already suspect your Surefire (Isn't the name alone a hoot...) magazines. I've run every type of mag available for the saiga-12 and now run nothing but factory mags. Try your factory mag and see if you have the same issues. When I hand cycle the action, eject a round from the chamber and bring back the action to just grab the next round, when I then release it, the next round feeds every time. What I'm getting at, is that, if the previous round ejects and you have a failure to feed, it usually is not a gas problem. When my Saigas get a hold of the next round and are not mechanically (magazine, foreign object, etc...) held up, they feed 100%. I also would not take a file, grinder or sandpaper to the internals unless you really know what you are doing. I've been involved with firearms for 30 years and wouldn't touch a FCG or bolt group myself. There is a pretty significant explosion going off less than a foot from my face and I'm not interested in experimenting. I've got a great gunsmith for anything other than accessory installation. I've acquired 4 Saiga-12s this year alone and I've 'broken in' every one of them the same way. I usually put at least two mags each of 00 and slugs through the Saiga I bring to the range each trip. After a few trips, I can cycle just about any 12 gauge round within reason (I never shoot cheap garbage through any of my guns). You don't need to put 400-500 rounds through it. Also, if you consider your Saiga to be even a small percentage "Home Defense" gun, it doesn't hurt to train with what you would use in that situation. Running those 3-4 mags of buck and slugs each trip is good to get you accustomed to the recoil and feel of those high power rounds and to be able to get follow up rounds on target. Let us know how things iron out.
  3. Zambidis, I think you misunderstood my intentions when I brought up the Commonality of Platform subject. I certainly didn't mean to start an arguement about this being some sort of iron clad doctrine. I was simply trying to show that Gabe is actually a huge proponent of the converted Saiga. A few posts sounded as if they thought he was possibly against converting the Saiga-12. Gabe makes it clear that these are his preferences and that he doesn't agree with the magwell on his Saiga-12s for the simple reason of the rock-and-lock being on the majority of AK systems. Many times after writing a response and clicking 'Add Reply', I later realize that it wasn't as clear as I thought..."hey, sounded good in my head though...". For what it's worth, my primary, an AK-74 and my NJ legal, unconverted Saiga-12s (It's what's in my closet...) have the commonality of a snow shovel and a pool cue. WaffenSchmied , you stated that, " Unfortunately - there is no parallel for the M4/AR15 platform in a 12 gauge.". With a few of my friends at the range recently, we got into this exact discussion. I used the arguement of the Saiga-12 magwell for making the Saiga closer to the M4/AR15 platform in function and controls. I personally feel that you can get great commonality between the M4/AR15 and the Saiga with the right modifications and furniture. I also have to agree with you that any Saiga-12 with just about any mag will certainly have most real world situations well in hand. Especially considering that the numbers show that the vast majority of gunfights involving shotguns end with 5 or less rounds fired in under 2-3 seconds ( I don't have the exact numbers handy). That's the biggest pro of the Saiga-12 platform...possibilities are endless. Again, sorry about the miscommunication.
  4. As stated in the title, any user input on the SGM Saiga 12 "The Boss" brake from Carolina Shooters Supply?
  5. When attending one of Gabe's Shotgun Fighting courses, you'd be amazed at the varied types of shotguns. It's strictly Brung-What-You-Run. The numbers of Saiga-12s is rising, but still in the minority. Any shotgun works for these seminars. Gabe's personal belief seems to be to run an AK as your primary and a converted Saiga-12 as your shotgun. Again he believes in and teaches the Commonality of Platform idea, same feel, same function, same controls. He has refered to the stock Saiga as "Sporting" and the converted Saiga as "Fighting". When it comes to the magwell modifications, I agree with Gabes stance. He's not against the Saiga magwell. It is a great mod that works well, but until magwells are on the majority of AK rifles, He'll stick with the rock-and-lock mags. It's not knocking the magwell at all, just sticking with the Commonality of Platform idea. Here is an actual quote from Gabe: "Guys...I am all for improving things. That said...FOR ME (others can do as they please) I want to keep my Saiga as close to the operations of the AK as possible. The shotgun is an ancillary, not a primary weapon for me, and as such, I want it work exactly as my primary weapon. To that end, I avoid anything on MY SAIGA that will alter the trigger press, the safety operation, the magazine work, and the bolt operation. When all AKs in the world have magwells, I may reconsider. Again, you guys do as you please as I have stated MY reasons." He put out a great book on Saiga-12 gunfighting and now the DVD. A dedicated Saiga-12 training course can't be far away.
  6. This is a sharp little compact unit. If you pick one up and mount it on a SAIGA-12, keep us posted on how it holds up. Specs for the UTG-TLP28 are: Material: Aluminum Weight with Battery: 6.3 oz Flashlight Bulb Type: 23mm Xenon IRB Flashlight Voltage(V): 6 Flashlight Max. Lumen(Lumens): 126 Flashlight Battery Operating Time: 70mins Switch Operating Type: Ambidextrous Toggle Switch Flashlight Focus: Preset Laser Control & Adjustment: TS & 4 Points Laser Beam Movement: 80cm @ 10m Laser Type: Class 3R Laser Output Power: 2.5-3.1mW Laser Wavelength: 630-640nm Laser Beam Diameter: 15-20mm@15m Laser Operating Temperature: 14oF - 113oF Laser Battery Operating Time: 80mins Laser Range: 500m Laser Life Time: 6000hrs Length: 3.58" Color: Black
  7. Gabe is a huge proponent of the converted Saiga-12. He's a 100% AK guy and believes in commonality of platforms between your primary (rifle in most cases) and shotgun. Easier to transition between them if all of the controls and overall feel is the same. When he was first introduced to the Saiga-12, it didn't seem like love at first sight, but he comes across as someone who really does his homework before making a final decision. He's certainly a believer now.
  8. Thanks...I guess. Oh, and I wouldn't be too worried about being preoccupied with thoughts of Tim Allen...he's a pretty good looking dude and I hear he's quite charming.
  9. FRC64

    Range report

    You don't have to make excuses about your first shot being low when all ten are in the rings at 100 yds. Very nice shooting.
  10. The majority of shooters out there don't know this about Leapers UTG. It isn't helped any that UTG also makes Airsoft products. I have two Saigas with UTG quad rails and take nothing but grief at our range from otherwise, very knowledgeable gun guys. I would be surprised if UTG moves their tactical light operations to the US though. For the same quality product made here in the States, you'd wind up charging the same $150 and up as the other US manufacturers.
  11. UTG, a division of Leapers Inc., is actually an American company. They have had many of their products produced in China, but have always had pretty high production standards. Compared to other Chinese made tactical lights, the Leapers UTG line is "high end". My Leapers UTG Quad Rail is actually "Made in USA". Here is a quote from their website. "Leapers, Inc., headquartered in Michigan, U.S.A., has been in the business of supplying shooting, hunting and outdoor gear since 1991. We set un-compromised high standards for all of our business operations. Our goal is to provide a total solution for any lines of product we offer. We pay close attention to industry trends and customer feedback, with a focus on making the best-in-class niche products available for hunting, shooting and outdoor enthusiasts like you. In 2009, we made an important decision to start our Made-In-the-USA Manufacturing Operation. With our full commitment to serving more customers in the market with 922R compliant products, we have begun making our unique mounting systems under the UTG PRO brand in Michigan, USA. We will continue to be innovation-driven and offer you the highest quality/value products at the most competitive pricing...".
  12. I always payed top dollar for the high end lights until I noticed the amount of light failures I was having. I took a chance and ordered a very reasonably priced light from Carolina Shooters Supply, my first being a UTG Flashlight Defender Series LED 268 I have put many rounds through the Saiga-12 it is mounted on and abused the hell out of it. It is running strong, very bright. I have ordered a few more since and the people at CSS are super to deal with, great prices and scary fast delivery.
  13. Basically looks like I used six Saigas without magwell dimension issues for my little test. I stayed up this late to call a friend of mine who lives about 45 minutes from Izhevsk and the Izhmash factory. He's a tool & die guy and actually worked at times for Izhmash in their industrial machine division. He's a fellow Saiga-12 devotee and first introduced me to the Saiga-12 years ago. I caught him just before he left his flat for the day. He said he'd call a friend of his this afternoon (his time) who still works there. I should have some more info tomorrow. Just finished watching Hangover, time for bed. Its range day and it'll be a long one as another Russian friend of mine has been here for a few months now and spends Saturday afternoons with us at the range and today he gets to play with a couple of Tony's creations. We'll finish off this evening with a few bottles of Russian Standard...like I said, long day.
  14. I've seen it mentioned recently in several posts that each factory mag is "fitted" to the shotgun it is shipped with. What confirmation is there that this is true? I have many factory 5 rounders, a box full next to my desk, some strewn on benches, there's 5 or six on the file cabinet next to my computer. I have a half dozen or so factory 8 rounders at our range in PA. I do not keep the mag that comes with each of my Saiga-12s with that specific gun. I've never even given it any thought. Those of us that shoot together don't keep track of which mag belongs to who. We just leave with the same number we showed up with...well some of us do. Tonight after a coversation about this, we sat down with a few Saiga-12s, two early EAA models and four 2008 models. We went through all six guns with over thirty 5 rounders I just grabbed up around my desk (no hockey on tonight ). We rocked and locked every magazine without exception and every mag fit every gun and fit well. Our factory 8's came directly from the factory without ever being paired up with a gun, that I know. All of them have been run on many Saigas without a hiccup. Is there any other info from, say, a factory source?
  15. I've decided to wait a bit on purchasing my own Vortex SPARC sights. For now, I'll just abuse my friends sights and get some more feedback. I was generally impressed by them last weekend though. The two Vortex units he has are believe it or not, replacements for the Konus (Atom) units that he had picked up from one of those discount catalogs several months ago. We got one to fail on a Benelli Nova after about 100 rounds and one is still going on a beater 7.62x39 AK. The overall build quality is a bit better on the Vortex, but I agree on the clarity of the dot. The Vortex does have good adjustment on the intensity and you can clear up the dot a bit. The glass/lens quality is terrible on those Konus units though. When it comes to the actual lens, you certainly get what you pay for in optics. One of my suppliers (a good friend of mine) is always stuffing something in my orders to try out and I've been through quite a bit of different red dot sights. At $200 and up I really have never found any major dissapointments. At $100 and down, nothing that I would ever rely on. Between $100-$200 I call the crapshoot bracket. You generally get what you pay for in the red dot market. Like I said earlier, I'll keep an eye on the two Vortex SPARCs that I have access to and can already see myself trying out a set on a Saiga-12 and a AK-74. Unfortunately, as of yet, my supplier does not have them in stock and I'll actually have to spend my own money.
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