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Got'cha, yeah you're right, the SGL's on henderson's page aren't too far from that price looking at the 21-61 right now at $799, although I admit the tactical that I originally posted is more than what I wanted to spend too, haha. Just wanted to get a coverted(normal) AK47 so I could eventually put a quad rail and folding stock on it with a vertical grip, lol. I know it may look cheesy to some but to each their own. I envisioned putting a mount for a tactical flashlight on the side and perhaps some optics or a scope(though not necessary), it'd be a home defense toy, maybe...just maybe I mig

I was looking for a "henderson 10/63" to get more info on it, couldn't find any available at major etailers, but browsed on their official website, also couldn't find it there either, however I did find some other ones that seemed like they could be though it was not specified. do you happen to know of any links? Also, what does the 10/63 stand for? Reading reviews, they seemed to come in packages like this one: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct765.aspx

That's good to know and to hear from an actual user. As for the barrel...according to the site's description this one is chrome lined, but I don't know how accurate that description is.

I see thanks for the input Schultze. Anything in particular to call out on WASR's vs Saiga's? Those chrome lined barrels hold up?...if I'm not mistaken Saiga's usually have a thicker lining?

I saw this from atlantic firearms, it's a USA built AK47 tactical setup(with rails and some goodies), apparently made with Romanian parts. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct439.aspx For $629... The copout answer is that it is probably junk...but does anyone have any real insight or thoughts/speculation on it? I could convert and build up from a saiga, but adding up costs(from some bargain parts too) it'll cost me about $600 to get it like the tactical build above, although...that doesn't include the extra tools I will need to buy from Harbor Freight to do the job, lol

Gotcha', Thanks for chiming in guys. I really wish there were some domestic producers of 5.45, all this talk and rumors but nothing solid that I've seen yet. I suppose I'll have to hold out.

I did a search on the forum, nothing came up so I was wondering how feasible, hard, and expensive it would be? Change out the barrel and the magazine feed? I want to get 5.45 but I'm preparing for the worst(ammo supplies deplete and or trade barrier). If that happened I wouldn't want it to be a useless wall hanger, so I thought to myself, hmm... what if I just converted it to .223 later down the road? Has anyone thought of this or done it?

Sorry I was trying to type that while catching the transit and ran out the door. But yeah, you pretty much got what I meant. I was curious to know which one costed more(converting it yourself, or just paying $200 for the redjacket conversion). I didn't know that parts were so cheap, I figured that after buying the parts and doing the labor it would be almost the same but then again I haven't looked at everything yet. Look at atlanticarms.com and check out the red jacket conversion. That is the cost of a professional converting a saiga to its basic form. You could save close to

Well said, I shall break down in my searches, piece by piece.

Look at atlanticarms.com and check out the red jacket conversion. That is the cost of a professional converting a saiga to its basic form. You could save close to 200 bucks doing it yourself! I have looked it at myself, in fact I was considering buying it already converted red jacket, but I didn't know how much it would just cost and if it was just worth it to have the converted one from redjacket actually.

Hey guys, I would like to do a tactical conversion on a saiga 7.62. The basics after the basic conversion(to stock, pistol grip+normal magazines) would be: -new stock/folding stock -quad rail(so I can put on a vertical grip, scope/optics, and a flashlight) I admit I'm pretty new to ak's, so some of you pro's might want to chime in if I'm missing something, but here are some pics of what I sort of want it to look like. --------------------------------- Key questions, is the quad rail installation difficult? Or is it pretty much pull out and replace? What about the stock

I've been curious about this to, as I guess most people who buy a saiga would like to convert it to a normal one. In relation to your topic, I was wondering how much a basic conversion of a saiga 7.62 would cost doing it yourself(all additional parts included, while doing the labor yourself) vs. having someone else doing it(the average/normal price that most people may charge...including parts)?

Thanks my762buzz, this is the type of stuff I was looking for! Great read. There are a few things that really muddy the waters when it comes to speaking of accuracy. 7.62x39 the cartridge itself is very capable of fine accuracy. See thread link below. http://www.thehighro...p/t-362501.html The problems that prevent 7.62x39 AK weapons from really performing sub moa are inherent in the ammo loadings as well as the weapons. Steel cased machine gun ammo is not exactly match grade. Brass cased commercial loads are usually better, but to really get the best accuracy handloa

Thanks for your 2 cents. However, what are your experiences with accuray at 100 yards+? What do your clusters look like?

I don't have either, and I'm aware of the most common arguments for both, but I leaned towards the 7.62(for it's ability to put down deer a little better, among other things), only thing that holds me back is the alleged lack of accuracy at 100 yards and slightly beyond. I just wanted to know if it was really an issue and if it was really as bad as people said it was, especially when using a refined Saiga. The thread has since taken slightly different courses and other arguments.

124 grain 8m3 makes some very nasty wounds. Fist size cavities. Dang, a 7.62 did that? Impressive. Yes. By the way, http://forum.saiga-1...16 That is one sick round! It would make me feel a lot safer in the woods if any wild beasts were to bother me(be it a bear or perhaps even a moose...even if it took a few shots, would be pretty inflicting).

That's one tough deer and one nasty round. From the sound of it though, a lot of meat probably go destroyed from the shots? 124 grain 8m3 makes some very nasty wounds. Fist size cavities. Dang, a 7.62 did that? Impressive. I was pretty impressed by what Silver Bear 7.62x39 SP did to a deer too. I hit it in a shoulder from about 75 yards and the bullet completely destroyed that shoulder (the front leg was hanging on skin and ligaments), shredded both lungs (it wasn't only the bullet, but all the bone fragments) and made a 2" diameter exit hole in the back. Nasty!

124 grain 8m3 makes some very nasty wounds. Fist size cavities. Dang, a 7.62 did that? Impressive.

He was probably talking about something like the modern Russian bullet designs which I already mentioned: the fragmenting 8M3 and the 124 gr FMJ bullet in Golden Tiger rounds, which has an enhanced air pocket design, making it tumble more than the M67. By the way, putting a decent muzzle brake (such as a properly copied AK74 brake or the PWS FSC-47) on a 7.62x39 weapon, greatly reduces recoil and muzzle climb. My SGL21, with it's 74 zig-zag brake, is a very soft shooter. I can shoot it rapidly with a good degree of accuracy. Thanks for the tip, you have any pics/links of your muzzle

He was probably talking about something like the modern Russian bullet designs which I already mentioned: the fragmenting 8M3 and the 124 gr FMJ bullet in Golden Tiger rounds, which has an enhanced air pocket design, making it tumble more than the M67. By the way, putting a decent muzzle brake (such as a properly copied AK74 brake or the PWS FSC-47) on a 7.62x39 weapon, greatly reduces recoil and muzzle climb. My SGL21, with it's 74 zig-zag brake, is a very soft shooter. I can shoot it rapidly with a good degree of accuracy. Thanks for the tip, you have any pics/links of your muzzle

Great video, very informative, but it mostly strengthened what I already knew. With little argument, the 5.45 is an all around better tactical round(tactical implying human targets), more manageable, higher velocity, better accuracy, yaw reactions, trajectory patterns...similar to the .223. However, something that I found interesting that I don't really know much about is when Mikhail Kalashnikov talked about his confidence in a "modernized/updated 7.62 round's superiority over the 5.45"... could someone chime in? Is this what we buy nowadays normally? (edit: I'm assuming he was talking

Yeah I know what you're saying, and that's what I figured. Hence taking down "bigger beasts" like deer/hogs, etc. as a survival weapon/the-one-go-to-gun, I was leaning towards the 7.62, and was wondering the trade off on accuracy(if it was that bad at 100yards, some pple claim 4+ inch clusters with other ak47's, and that's pretty bad, and I was wondering about the Saiga's)....as well as recoil/handling.

Thanks for the input guys. To answer a few more questions, I would probably put a sight or optics on it, and do a tactical conversion with a railmount for a flashlight/laser and a vertical grip stemming from the barrel. I'd also want to convert to pistol grip w/ folding stock, and if it's the 7.62 I'd want to do the magazine conversion too....but that's going to be another thread. This gun, once turned with the conversion would mainly have a survival rifle purpose, a mix of being able to take down deer as well as, if needed be, protection from attackers. I'm aware of the penetra

Straight up, if you've shot both, is it really that much more accurate at about 100 yards? Also how does the recoil really compare? I know that the 5.45 has a better trajectory and is a generally more accurate round, but we're talking about Saiga's here, alot of people have stated that the Saiga ak47 was a lot more accurate than other ak47's(7.62's). The only three things that are really going for the 5.45 for me are: -better accuracy(at 100 yards) -lower recoil/better handling -(I'm well aware of other benefits, but I've weighed them out...as cheap as the ammo is for the 5.45 I rathe

Nice video, I admit though I mostly skipped towards the end to see the shots, good shooting with the cans. On topic, is the accuracy really that much worse when compared to a Saiga 5.45x39 or a Saiga .223? I know both those rounds are generally more accurate in nature but how is it when applied in practise(speaking of the Saiga only, not other brands, ie: saiga ak47 vs saiga ak74 vs saiga .223), is the accuracy pretty similar or will you really see that much of a difference when going with the saiga ak74/saiga .223 vs a saiga ak47(which most people claim to be among the most accurate