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  1. we will have a saiga version but right now we are concentrating on the vepr because it seems the saiga shotguns are trickling in the country.

    It is for the 2 3/4" shells. To many issues with the different lengths and manufactures of 3", you can get 3 boxes of the same ammo and very few will be the same length out of those boxes unfired. if we solve the issue I will let everyone know.


    Is the ETA still late September/early October? I feel like a little kid during Christmas...

  2. Call me crazy...a hypochondriac...whatever you will.


    But with all that is going on lately im seriously just thinking about dumping my VEPR-12. I cant get the thought out of my head about parts, parts, parts. There really isnt an abundance of replacement parts to begin with, never has been. Russian parts that is.


    Will Saiga springs and pins work on the Vepr? I was thinking they probably would but i know there are small differences in the two rifles.


    I just think some times, why even bother? Why have a gun im going to be constantly worried to shoot and risk breaking/wearing out a part?

    With all the new import bans it seems our availability for parts will just get even worse.


    Some one slap me and bring me back to senses.


    I've actually been running the Saiga 12 recoil spring in my VEPR 12 since it's lighter with success. I would love to have a spare operating rod for parts in case anything ever happens though.

  3. You must learn to use this functionality especially for range shooting, clay shooting, trap/skeet. It's the rule that you must have your action-open when carrying your firearm as a safety precaution for range officers and employees to verify and affirm safety rules or else you will be asked to check your action. The Saiga 12 has the same BHO function available, but the Saiga 12's BHO button is located where the bolt-release button is on the VEPR 12.

  4. Ive read reports of vepr12 op rods breaking in competition, this has me a little concerned for two reasons.

    One you cant get an american op rod and two I plan to shoot the shit out of mine.


    Would it be possible or advisable to get a heavier weight recoil spring and had that when shooting high brass and then use the stock weight or even tune the spring by trying various weight springs till the bird shot would be cycling but lightly.



    Can you provide a link of the reports on the op-rod breaking? Good thing I have a lifetime warranty on mine and the other one I got for my buddy...

  5. Legion USA is proud to bring two new types of Vepr 12's that are 922r compliant, while still retaining the original look of this shotgun. Thanks to the use of US made floor plates we are able to sell these with the factory Vepr magazine. Our stock is running low, so do not miss your chance to own one of these authentic Vepr's with Russian markings on the receiver!




    The Molot GK-01 version is a real winner. What's the length on the GK-01 perm'd barrel including the muzzle brake?

  6. I recently installed a extended magazine release on my Vepr-12 and since the mag has been dropping out after i shoot a round. I think to fix this i either have to file a little off the rear tang of the mag a or file a little off the top of the my new extended mag release. Right?


    Do not touch the mag. You will need to only remove the extended mag release, file it down (it's easier just to run it back and forth on the file itself than to run the file over it) to match the length of the factory mag release tab (do not over file it), and then re-install the mag release.

  7. Good news is that it's waaaay easier to install the original mag catch release tab when compared to the extended. I do miss the feeling of the original tab mag release though because you can grab it as you release with the same hand. And yes, extended is good for competition use, BUT after much practice with the extended you will get use to mag changes with it. I would keep it and practice with it for a month. If you don't like it, you can easily swap it out with the original one. Don't waste your time sending it back, your baby is already in your hands.


    I'm actually in Houston, TX (heights area) and won't mind helping you swap it out...

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  8. current prices on saiga 12.  650.00 and up unconverted.


    catamount fury 399.00


    for that price id buy one to mess around with. unless someone wants to point me to an s12 for the same price.


    FYI before the saiga 12 hype and the Red Jacket show, my buddy picked up his unconverted Saiga 12 for no more than $400.

  9. The conversion is a fun trip, but the gas reliability was a different trip I wished I had a veteran prepare me for. As long as you have a dremel tool with polishing kit to evenly polish up the hammer face and contact points of the bolt carrier, it will help you towards reliability (reducing drag/friction) tremendously. You can also polish the side rails within the receiver as well. I highly recommend taking notes from close up details of professionally converted S12's before removing any material (feed ramp) or widening the gas ports. The feed ramp tutorial in the polishing thread removes more metal from the feed ramp than necessary (I compared it to the work of TAC47 in person with my own eyes), but pay no mind to this mod if you aren't having any non-gas related feeding problems.

  10. So a customer of mine spoke with the owner of Wolf on the phone and said if having issues with ejection.


    Check the rivet closest to rear sight on the inside of dust cover and see if it is too long and hitting the push rod...


    Then take a dremel and get it down flush like the other rivets are and that should fix it...


    The makers changed rivets for some odd reason...


    I wrote this and forgot to hit 'Post' last Friday:


    That's interesting because I always thought that would be a resolution as well, BUT Molot purposely designed the first rivet to be longer than the others to minimize cycling failures in the long run. We highly recommend only polishing the first long rivet. Here are pics of when I suspected the rivet was the cause of adding friction to the bolt carrier (because my Saiga 12 didn't have it, then why in the hell would the VEPR 12 have it, right?... but we have confirmed with Papa Zorro (VEPR 12 expert from Russia who had a Molot make him a custom VEPR 12 right at the factory) this longer rivet has it's purpose.



  11. Bonesteel is a great brake. I have one pinned to my vepr. 


    However, beware they shave the wad or something, as debris flys out the sides and hits people standing on a firing line beside the shooter. Can be annoying or dangerous. My brother got crap in his eye the first time I fired it. 

    Bonesteel needs to open these up a bit, once he does, I will get another. 


    Please tell me he was wearing eye protection, ouch!

  12. I'm not sure if you can confirm, but are they the 10-rounders that are modified by Molot Arms (these are the only ones available for the US at the moment) or original Molot? You can visually see the difference as the Molot Arms version has coated and bonded two mags together.




    Just took my Classic purchased Vepr 12 folder out for the first time yesterday and had about 35% FTE rate with walmart federal. I'm pretty bummed about it.


    I have a SGL12 that I had to redrill the ports and profile the BC and FCG and install a Tac47 auto plug in order to get proper function with cheap ammo. I was fine with that because expectations were low. However, a lot of places are advertising full reliability right out of the box from the Vepr 12 and I had high hopes for that to be true.


    Id run it with some full power loads and then just give it a bit of time. It should smooth out with some use. If this doesnt help, then it may be time to polish the internal contact areas and go from there.


    I don't mind a little polishing, I'm just hoping I don't have to redrill the ports. Have there been any reports of issues with the gas ports being undersized?

    Not that I'm aware of. If anything, it should be over gassed.



    Redrilling ports is not a common necessity for the VEPR 12 to run lower power loads (unlike the Saiga 12 I use to own). Even if you take a look at Jim Fuller's AK building class, they HIGHLY recommend and ALWAYS mod (file, sand and polish) the face of the hammer to increase reliability of bolt cycling. The factory VEPR 12 trigger proved to be unreliable for me (hence the easy Tapco G2 upgrade).

  14. Obviously a non-pistol grip shotgun is very dangerous as well, but they are leaving out important details like ammo types/loads (ex. birdshot vs rifled slug), so it's not going to stick. This law may possibly hold for states like Cali, but definitely not for states like Texas... It does say 'Hunting Rifle' on the VEPR 12 box for a reason... Here's something interesting from a fellow VEPR 12 owner in Russia, citizens over there have to wait at least 3 years to own an AR15. Please take a look at the date for that article, it's nearly 3 years old...

  15. What magazines you running there? Try factory mags to eliminate that variable. 



    Like Saigas, there are huge variances from unit to unit. Some run perfect, others not so much. 


    Very true. That's very important as well and it should be priority number one. I apologize for leaving that out. Please use the factory magazine during first use as 3rd party magazines may require possible fitment modifications to the magazine itself.

  16. Guys, I've got Vep-12 from LegionUSA recently and put through about 200 rounds with at least 50% FTE no matter what I load in it. So far I've tried:


    1. Federal 3 dram, 1 1/8 oz, 8 shot, 1200 fps - 3/10 FTE

    2. Remington 3 dram, 1 1/8 oz, 8 shot, 1255 fps - 4/10 FTE

    3. Winchester 3 dram, 1 1/8 oz, 8 shot, 1200 fps - 8/10 FTE

    4. RIO 3 dram, 1 oz, 7.5 shot, 1280 fps - 10/10 FTE

    5. RIO 3 dram, 1 oz, 8 shot, 1280 fps - 10/10 FTE


    What's your experience with Vepr-12? Does it feed anything or is it picky? I hear that it suppose to eat any type of ammo due to self-regulating gas system but guys at Legion USA tells me that it will not function on anything lower than 7 1/2 birdshot 1200fps and I'd better use only 00 buckshot or slugs. I'm getting confused and frustrated here, after spending $$$ I can use it reliably.


    Please advise on your experience.



    Important: VEPR 12's prefer 1290 fps or higher with stock internal components.


    Follow these steps to get your stock VEPR 12 to cycle lower powered 12 gauge ammo:

    1. Ensure no optics are located directly above or in front of the ejection port. Optics should sit behind the ejection port. (this caused mine to have FTE's and to pop open the dust cover).

    2. Ensure stock is positioned firmly against body when shooting (lean forward) to ensure there is no loss of energy for bolt cycling.

    3. Remove and wipe off any factory cosmoline/grease, and polish the bolt carrier and trigger contact points. Polishing the bolt carrier and trigger contact points (hammer face) is the most important to improve cycling without having to replace any parts. Oil/lubrication is not required as you need to ensure it cycles WITHOUT oil/lubrication first, that is the beauty of the AK design.


    Polishing the bolt carrier and hammer face is very similar to Saiga 12's and not uncommon practice to improve cycling of lower powered ammo. Good luck!

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