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Ordered some mags late Friday and got them on Monday. Not bad, CA to PA in a few days and on a weekend too!
Friday 4-19!? I'm in TX and haven't received mine yet...
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YAY! Mine came today!
Niiiice, when did you place your order!? I placed mine this past Thursday night (4-18) !
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I myself was perplexed as to why 5 rounders were selling for $40 considering more work goes into them. I heard somewhere the reason why is that when Vepr 12's are shipped to the US they come with two 5 round magazines, and 1 is taken out of the box. So US vendors are setting the price on them, on technically something that is in a way, free... Also explains why some people got two in their box...
That's exactly what I believe to be true as well. It's stated in the manual for a quantity of 2 magazines, and every owner I've seen in the EMEA (East, Middle East, Asia) who ordered their VEPR 12's have received two 8-Round magazines. Someone saw the opportunity (even though it was unethical to do so), and they seized it for their own profit. The only way to to find out for sure is from the contact at Molot in Russia who handling the account for export shipment of VEPR 12's.
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I cannot believe these are not sold out yet. Either 1. people do not realize how awesome these are, 2. that they are in stock, or 3. Molot finally imported a decent amount of them... If there was another magazine that was equivalent for a cheaper price sure, but there is not... If money is an issue, imo, I would rather have 2 of these than 5 aftermarkets...
I'm sure once they break even or reach their profit goal, the price will be back up to $130 in no time.
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Placed an order for 3 last night, it was a flat 10 bucks for shipping and had a small credit card processing fee as well.
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Ah, ha! Now I understood what you were talking about. The first picture was very difficult to tell. Damn good job, sir! Let us know how she runs!
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This thread may help you out as well. Once again, the only thing I would mess with on the gas system is removing any visible burring on the edges of the ports. Were you able to test out the cycling performance after the polish job?
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I've posted this multiple times. Here's is a guide for recommended 12 gauge loads:
http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html
2 upgrades you must try are to cycle anything less than 1290fps reliabily:
- Replace your factory recoil spring with either a Saiga 12 factory recoil spring, 1911 recoil spring, or the CSS performance recoil spring.
- Polish points of contact on your hammer face from your trigger group and bolt carrier and bolt.
There's no need to jack with your gas settings unless you are shortening your barrel.
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I don't care for a front rail of any sort or location. I am interested in your replacement top cover rail piece however...hurry up and knock that out.
If all you're looking for is just the top rail, Carolina Shooters Supply carries a replacement rail. The only reason I'm considering making one is so they are the same height and they can be sold as a complete upgrade.
I'm in for the complete upgrade...I know a good number of us want to scrap the polymer factory rail ASAP.
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WINNER! Any plans to make the sides or bottom modular in the future?
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There are no stiffer aftermarket springs because there is no market for them. Please use this as a guide for your ammo types for your VEPR 12:
http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html
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Stippled my handguard:
For your gamers:
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Captain Hero raised a good question, if the mag is loaded and inserted in the shotgun with bolt closed it is continually applying upward pressure on the bottom of the bolt.
True, I always keep my bolt open as well. You are still able to engage the safety lever to ON even with an open bolt.
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I came across the temperature thing when my S12 was brand new. It was only about 75% with Federal bulk birdshot loads in the drum. It was a cool but sunny day, and I remembered the old sniper trick of cooking rounds in the sun to up their pressure. I laid the shells and drum out in the midday sun for three minutes and they were nice and warm. Loaded them up quickly and they ran 100% after that. I just kept pouring them out in the sun for a while before loading up and they ran fine. Stopped doing the warming on one drum and started having trouble again. I've heard this gives 50 cal sniper loads another 200-300 fps under the right circumstances. YMMV. Of course, be very careful when heating live ammo!
Higher temperatures to maximize velocity holds true. Optimal environmental conditions for shooting are no wind on a very hot day. Cooking rounds to increase their pressure is new to me, will look into it.
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I stumbled upon a video from another overseas VEPR 12 owner as his polymer rail managed to break with his Eotech was mounted on it...
(Please take into consideration the temperature of the environment which may have altered the integrity of the polymer rail, he also states this may have been a defective rail)
Jump to 0:41...
This is not a thread to start trashing the VEPR 12, I posted this, so VEPR 12 owners are aware of it, so we can possible come to a conclusion of what really happened and to decide on the solution for it...
This may be a very good reason to have it replaced with the aluminum version from CSS...
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In the EMEA (East, Middle East, Asia), the VEPR 12 normally comes with two 8-Round Molot magazines. I'm not surprised on how the US models should have two magazines...
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You will want to stay with the 1250-1290 fps 1oz minimum loads. Any low recoil, target loads, and dove loads will require polishing the trigger group, bolt and bolt carrier, low recoil spring, and possibly gas port widening. Always start with the trigger group and bolt carrier & bolt before messing with the recoil spring and ports. Sounds like the promag drum needs some fitting (filing underneath the mag catch notch on the drum itself) as it's not seated all the way.
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Just like Jim Fuller said, if it runs dry, it'll run wet!
Run the heavy loads first and the light loads after,
Post pics!
I finally polished the trigger group and the bolt + carrier contact points, you may want to look into doing that first!
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My LRBHO has been about 95% on all mags including factory five rounders. Only a couple times that it did not lock and it was just as i began using the new magazines without forcing a round down first.
My method: Take your new SGM mags and load a single round in. Then take your finger and ram the shit out of it down and allow ot to return a few times. On all five of mine there was something interfering with the magazine cycling, but i actually felt the point of tension smooth out. Then i loaded it up to five rounds and did the same again till it bottomed out and the same smoothness happened. They ran like champs after that.
May or may not work for all, but cant hurt and is free.
This is what I was looking for, thanks menace.
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I went with 10 round SGM's and have had zero issues beyong their first load. Found what helped best was to load a couple rounds and force them down and release a few times to smooth feeding in them. My VEPR has tan amazingly well on even underpowered crap. Even my factory magazine struggled with the 1190fps #8 shot. Me and Evlblkwpns ran a out 300 rounds of every type and power of bulk bird shot crap i could muster through it and i was pleased, especially conpared to a new Saiga.
Mine did cycle low recoil buckshot, but was not something i would trust or rely on. The 1350fps (federal bulk milspec) and 1650fps 00 buck (hornaday) run like anchamp as long as your shoulder can take it. I made it through a hundred of the remington and was bruised for about a week.
Did LRBHO work 100% of the time?
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The entire purpose and design of the AK platform is to expand and contract (that is why it uses rivets instead of screws in the receiver), allowing and enduring sloppy operations in harsh conditions. Will the JTE shotgun performance guide rod fix this problem? Here's the description of it from CSS:
CSS - JTE shotgun performance guide rod:
Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily.The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems.
JT Engineering Performance guide rod assembly will greatly smooth out the cycling of you Saiga or Vepr Shotgun.
This includes 1 replacement rod constructed of 300 grade stainless and 1 slider made of Delrin.
It will retrofit into the existing recoil system by simply removing the the factory pin that holds the rod in place and inserting the new performance rod and replace the factory pin.
You will still use you existing springs and dust shield.
I think the only way to prove this theory correct is to install the performance guide rod, mount and position an optic above or in front of the ejection port, and go town on testing to see if the FTE's still occur. I posted a question to JT Engineering about this as well. Also, a possible fresh start will be to lay down a fresh layer of paint the top of the carrier to see if it is stilling hitting the first top rivet.
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The entire purpose and design of the AK platform is to expand and contract (that is why it uses rivets instead of screws in the receiver), allowing and enduring sloppy operations in harsh conditions. Will the JTE shotgun performance guide rod fix this problem? Here's the description of it from CSS:
CSS - JTE shotgun performance guide rod:
Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily.
The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems.
JT Engineering Performance guide rod assembly will greatly smooth out the cycling of you Saiga or Vepr Shotgun.
This includes 1 replacement rod constructed of 300 grade stainless and 1 slider made of Delrin.
It will retrofit into the existing recoil system by simply removing the the factory pin that holds the rod in place and inserting the new performance rod and replace the factory pin.
You will still use you existing springs and dust shield.
Molot USA has vepr12 mags in stock
in Vepr-12
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That's odd, no shipment notification here... here's my details:
Order #103135 (Processing)