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Do these use the same magazines as the Saiga-12? Obviously they would have to be modified to work with the mag well if so...

If you look up Gunfun's profile, he has a video (edit: in his signature) on how to load a full magazine on a closed bolt without modifications. It is technique - you may do it without realizing it or something. It's basically angling the magazine so that the bolt pushes down the round as you lock the magazine in. I've tried it and it works, but it takes some finesse. I dented a few top rounds beyond use before I got it to work.

Anyone have any REASONS why they don't like the BHOs?

If it is installed properly there's no way it can fail...they put them in at the factory, so these guns were designed to have them... I had to do this before I installed mine. It was a hassle, but not unbearable once you got used to it.

Do you mean the factory left out the BHO? Or you mean you left it out in the conversion? Either way, there should be no problem installing one on a converted gun. I bought my gun already converted and installed the CSS BHO. It was fairly simple, but took a while because you have to grind down the hammer axis to make room for the BHO to use the same pin. It works nicely.

I only put "less than $100" because I have no initial pricing estimates at all yet, but that would be around the target price that I think the market would bear. I understand the "what's special about yours" argument, and it is another facet of this project I am considering. Ideally the extra strength in the magazine would be the selling point. I have considered adding some design features to the magazine to assist with loading, but I am unsure rather or not this would be too "gimmicky." The operative word is quality. I want these to be at least as nice as the factory mags. I intend to pro

Metal is going to inherently be more expensive than plastic. The additional material cost and durability I would hope would command a higher price. The only price point I've been comfortable putting out there at this stage is that I'd like them to be "less than $100." Especially in initial runs, the price of the magazines MAY be around that and will probably come down over time. The problem is that initial tooling/mold/CNC costs will have to be wrapped up in the price of initial runs. I wouldn't actually be seeing any profit until at least hundreds of these had sold. Everything would be going

In light of several manufacturers talking about metal box mags, but nothing coming to fruition, I've started the process of looking at cost and prototyping box magazines. Assuming there is interest, I am basing the prototypes around the ultra reliable factory 5-round mag, and will ideally expand the idea to all sizes - 2, 5, 8, 10, and 12. My idea is that people seem to have such a vested interest in factory magazines that they command $150-$200 used for a factory 8-round magazine, and if I could produce US made 922 compliant magazines as reliable as factory spec and keep the cost <$100, I

I understand, and make no mistake: What you've done here for the platform is a huge milestone. I just hope the sales will allow you guys to kick these into full-swing production. Out of curiosity, how do these compare with re-profiled carriers such as Pauly's work?

It seems like for this to be successful to the point where you can ramp up production and lower price, it's going to take some serious marketing. $280 is steep for right now, which I understand it's basically a custom part that the only alternative to is buying a new shotgun, I just hope the idea won't be dead-in-the-water because the first 20 moved slowly due to a higher price.

Promag stick mags have a spotty reputation. SGM and AGP mags are solid.

No welding needed for the conversion - or the Chaos HK sights - there are other HK sights that require welding, but the Chaos HK sights were made to fit on any of the Chaos top rails. I have both the Titan and the HK sights, and love both. Do take note - I've had to do quite a bit of work on my Chaos Titan to get it to fit properly. It is CRITICAL that you use loctite on ALL of the screws on your Chaos rail BEFORE YOU FIRE with the rail mounted. This includes the structural screws that hold the rail together, not just the screws to mount it. Also, take note of the set screw at the rear of the

So you've bought it, and you're going to pour money into it to get it to "work," only so you can sell it to buy a boring ass pump shotgun that doesn't even have a 20 round drum? Well, it's your gun. If you're going to do it right, ditch the Tapco puck. Don't put that lower power spring in, it's trash. Check your ports and see how many you have and make sure they're opened to the width they should be for your model year/number of ports. Most gunsmiths should be able to take the gun and do what you need with it, but you might be better served to just sell it on here for a fair price and take

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I have one on mine. A lot of people can run them great right out of the box. Some need to be tuned. All this means is picking up a box of 7 1/2 shot and bringing a screwdriver to the range with you. Shoot, adjust, shoot, adjust, shoot, adjust until you get consistent successful ejections. Once it's tuned, if you loctite it in, it doesn't need to be touched again. If you don't loctite it, it will need to be screwed in again after a few hundred rounds (usually no more than a quarter to half turn in).

I see. I remember reading that thread a loooong time ago, guess my memory is a little off. Apologies, sir. I think it seems like a fine solution if the gas block is obstructing your ports. His method of getting the gas block off is also solid, assuming reassembly doesn't leave the GB canted.

Hmm...has anyone heard of the importer converting the guns themselves? Seems backwards that the importer would void the factory warranty that they themselves would service...

I think the consensus is that it can almost certainly overgas your system, and at the very least allows for stupid amounts of fouling to get into your gas system, making it necessary to clean more often. How does that even make any sense? Larger single port, more gas, larger hole for larger bits/more fouling to travel through. Unless I'm misunderstanding what the "D" mod is, but I understood it to be basically cutting a large "D" shaped gas port instead of smaller multiple ports.

I think the consensus is that it can almost certainly overgas your system, and at the very least allows for stupid amounts of fouling to get into your gas system, making it necessary to clean more often. There is debate rather or not a "break in" period is necessary. Ideally, it wouldn't be, but these guns are manufactured with relatively loose tolerances and may need to wear into each other. Rather that means you put a bunch of rounds down the gun or you sit down and manually cycle it by hand, the parts will wear into each other. The advantage to putting rounds down it will let you k

Haven't seen that one. Basically looks like a US-made 922 compliant Mako GL Shock + a tube made to fit AK's.

Yes, I also did this. It helps immensely with wearing the moving parts into each other. Get a beer, turn on the TV, and just keep racking it open and letting it slam home.

No...DON'T do this. At least, don't run the reduced power spring. The v-plug and puck are alright. You might look into the Tac 47 autoplug or the V-plug independently and see if they might be to your liking. It sounds like your gun is just a little undergassed, and that the successful ejections are aided by the force of the next round pushing up on it. More of a break-in period might help the gun wear into itself a bit, and also get some Federal Bulk #8 or #7 1/2, as the Winchester stuff has been notoriously bad for FTEs in the S-12's. Check your gas ports and see how many you have and how

GunFun knows his stuff. Admittedly, the Titan is heavy, but it was one of the aftermarket parts that made me fall in love with the S-12 as a weapon platform. It does allow for plenty of stuff to be mounted, of course, but as GF mentioned, that is only as useful as you make it. Check out the side-rail mounts and the forend options before you make the jump on a Chaos, as it is rather pricey. Do searches on here (either using the forum search or Google, both will come back here) for any particular rail you are interested in, and you will find anything you could want to know about it.

I believe the Mini-Titan was only in production for a short period of time and was sold exclusively through Red Jacket Firearms. You could contact RJF or Chaos and see if either may still have them in stock or are still taking orders on them, but other than that they are few and far between and in extremely high demand. I am thinking of having my regular Titan cut down if I go SBS.

If you're looking to convert, you are going to be in for about $100-$300 for the parts. That will get you to a basic conversion. If you want to go with a red dot/foregrip/tri-rail, I second the motion to go for Chaos products ("Cameron's rail"). They can be a little pricy ($100 for the lower handguard, another $100-$150 for a top rail, depending on which you go with), but the quality and customer service is top notch. I have the Chaos Titan on mine, and I absolutely love it. No, it won't, from that page: THIS WILL NOT FIT THE SAIGA SHOTGUNS -PLEASE USE THE UTG SIDE SCOPE