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SWEEEEEEEEETTTT
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The tapco stock has a block attached to it, the ace doesn't and needs a block installed for the ace stock to screw into. Hope this helps.
Also you posted this in the Vepr section, which is not a saiga.
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I installed the autoplug and it works, my problem is it is very hard to install and take out for cleaning. I need a pair of pliers or a wrench to get it in and out, threads are fine on both gun and plug. And when it is seated its flush, worked at range but when I go to tune it it still is slightly mobile like it depresses the pin itself and moves when tuning it. Will it go in and out easier over time or did I get a bum plug?
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Where as a saiga would have a screw for the bottom tab to slide in, my vepr didn't. So I have to grind down the tab to fit into the receiver. Located on the bottom of hand guard and receiver. I love it.
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Utg mount, love the hand guard, although fitting it took some dremel work. Shoots great.
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Damn no NY good configurations.
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Lol I just got google.com with no search results, I did the mod myself last night , put a Lil cut into the safety with my dremel. Worked out great.
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Could of atleast linked me to YouTube
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It's my first ak, any instructions or video you could link me to
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That can maybe be added to it?
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They have the Fastest shipping and Greg has been very helpful with any questions I have ever had. Get all my new furniture, all I need now is for my vepr to arrive.
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CSS hit it right on the head with this. Excellent addition to the kushnapup as well.
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Who's the person to call or email or write to get an answer on this?
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But is that a pistol grip attached to the bullpup technically? Just because it is forward of the action, does that mean its still not under? No cases to cite
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Thats awesome .....I have so many questions....mainly the flashlight and the carry handle
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We have had the rail in the works for a few months before the bullpup release and I have not held one. We could make a taller dovetail key to fit the rail.
Indy how much taller would it need to be to clear the plastic?
that sounds awesome
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So the new rail mount doesn't clear the kushnapup? Wonder of there is a way to make a slightly taller dovetail mount.
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yeah my problem is im right outside the city limits on long island. And this is a hot topic on my local forum longislandfirearms.com . I know if I brought my s12 with this configuration to the range anywhere around here I would be getting asked about it and gawked at all day, thats my only concern, I would probably wind up with my picture on the forum from another member reporting that they saw one live and in person. Its very grey, I even emailed Kushnapup to see how many approx units were sold to the NY area just to see but I have yet to receive a reply. I'm about to assemble it and bury it in my yard.
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No - grip BELOW THE ACTION ( again... it is out front... not below the charging handle or "ACTION" )
Is there any case law in NY to support the legality of thumbhole stocks? Is there any case law to support the idea that below the action means directly below it? Is there any law, statute or case law, that would help us extrapolate form how bullpup rifles have been categorized or treated? As someone who has gone to law school and has worked in a prosecutor's office, it seems there is way too much room, in the absence of any strong case law, to argue that the grip is in fact below the action. It is directly below the gas tube where the carrier (part of the action) is moving back and forth. That is about as below the action as the PG in normal AK configuration the carrier moves back and forth over it when the action is cycled. This would seem to make it readily distinguishable from a thumbhole stock that the action does not cycle over. I have won much more tenuous arguments than that in court.
I'm not particularly familiar with NY state gun laws, and I have no idea how the statute cited to has been interpreted by the courts. I will simply say that if it is a blank slate I would feel really uncomfortable banking on the interpretation that the grip is not a pistol grip protruding below the action. Without good case law you are just one judge (who may have a dim view on firearms to begin with) away from saying you are wrong. It likely would cost you 4-5 grand to even hire an attorney to write the brief and make the argument that this doesn't fall under the statute. If you lose and appeal that is going to be thousands more. And of course at the end of all that if you still have lost you will with all likelihood end up with a serious conviction and the consequences that come with it.
With that in mind if it were me I would not be having that thing in NY unless there was much more solid law to use to support the interpretation of the statute that it is not pistol grip that protrudes below the action. I'm obviously not the attorney of anyone here, and I'm not giving anyone legal advise. I am simply saying if it were me, based on my experience in criminal courts and making legal arguments interpreting statutes and case law it would not be a risk I personally would feel very comfortable with.
Very valid points, why would they mention a specific area of the shotgun vs. just saying no pistol grip on a shot gun period. They leave everything so vague so it can cater to whatever purpose they wanna use the laws for at that given time. Both sides of the argument over legality make excellent points making this a true mindf#%k of a grey area.
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FYI... for those interested... I have the SHORT RAIL coming from CSS... as the LONG Ultimak rail is out of stock for the fixed sight S12 shotguns. I am thinking It should be here by this weekend, and I hope to have it installed, with optic, and field test/range report posted as soon as possible after all that is completed...
What is this short rail you speak of? Got a link?
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I was thinking the same as you, I purchased the stock but was hesitent at first to install it on the 12. Have you taken it out to any public ranges yet?
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Also a UTG stock butt pad with holes drilled out carefully can make room for the tangs to fit in the pad so you won't have to cut them or bend them.
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Is this configuration legal in New York on a saiga 12?
steel s12 mags. Project completed.
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