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  1. dochoc

    Citadel RS-S1

    As stated it is a licensed version of the Saiga 030. I have had one for for some months and found it to be very reliable. I recently shot it at the World shoot in France and experienced zero failures, despite only having a handful of rounds through it previously.
  2. dochoc

    Kalashnikov USA finally shipping Saiga 12

    Agreed. Not so long ago a US made Saiga assembled from top notch materials, with operating parts machined from solid billet was almost too much to hope for. Given the way these are made, a $900 price tag isn't surprising. Hopefully (since the factory already has the capability to create one) we'll see a Version 030 iteration of the gun sometime in the not too distant future. Mike the 030 version is available now in Europe. A Turkish company has done a similar licensing deal, but decided to produce a clone of the 030 version. They are called Armsan, and they are calling it the RS-S1. They are also making 10 round mags that are less than half the cost of the saiga/vepr versions. Time will tell on if they are reliable ! I picked one up yesterday. Not fired it yet but others report favourably. Vepr 12 mags will fit and function with the LRBHO, if they have the Saiga recess cut into the mag lip. Standard Saiga magwell mags will fit but don't obviously work the LRBHO. I would assume that 030 mags will also work and action the LRBHO. First impressions are that the mags will need to be fitted to the gun, as they are quite stiff to insert, and don't drop free. The vepr /saiga mags that belong to a magwell version pre 030 glide in like silk and drop free. The mag release will also need work as you cannot really action it without taking a hand off the gun. All small issues and very easily corrected. I assume that as with the other Turkish guns, Akda, UTAS, Bora etc that these will be readily available over there?
  3. dochoc

    "Molot" Brake Disrupting Pattern?

    I have found since fitting my Molot brake that the shot pattern with birdshot and buckshot has opened up quite noticeably. In the UK we mainly have to use fibre loads, as plastic is not allowed at most clubs. However I have used plastic where permitted and found that the pattern spreading is common to both. Unbuffered buckshot seems to be the worst affected, and gave me great problems in the recent world shoot in Italy. I believe some of the Italian cartridge manufactures worked with the Italian team to fine tune the loads, and they definitely seemed to have cracked the problem. The Russian teams also seemed to have no issues. I have sourced some of the new Italian buffered buckshot used out there and plan to do some back to back testing.
  4. dochoc

    UK Help required.

    Thank you for the tip GunFun, I will email him.
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    UK Help required.

    Hi Need some help the other side of the pond. I desperately need to get hold of an ak-builder Choke adapter. Unfortunately they do not ship internationally and have no UK supplier. I wonder if anyone would be able to source one from them and send it on. This is not a restricted item in the UK, being treated as an accessory. At the moment these are listed on the website at $39.95. Shipments to the UK have to be under $99 to not require an import licence,so this is what I can pay. Obviously I would pay the money upfront on trust. If anyone can help please send me a PM. For clarity this is the item: Saiga 12 Slotted Choke Tube AdapterCODE: C2-42
  6. dochoc

    Bottoming out the "op rod", OAL questions...

    As the factory have set the OAL to a different length than would be achieved by simply screwing the rod all the way in, I would suggest that it would be important to keep this length. After all it would be easier and quicker to just screw it all the way in, so why haven't they? I am in the same boat, as my carrier has cracked ,and needs welding. It was always 'loose and wobbly' out of the box. I propose to have a longer op rod machined up, and then shave it down progressively until the original OAL is achieved with the rod screwed in tight, then pin the rod in place. You could use shim stock to take up the slack, but a longer rod seemed a more elegant solution. Might even try to get a Titanium version done if I can find someone to do it ! I do have slight concerns that if the factory left the rod 'loose and wobbly' that there may be a reason, and that I may be changing the function by tightening the rod up. Will have to see. The R&R carrier I think has a tight rod and seems to work well.
  7. Can certainly be done. I know a lot of people shooting Saigas at the Hungary world shoot were using the Molot magwells and mags. The enlarged competition magwell with the extended sides was most common. Don't know how difficult it would be without a machine shop behind you.
  8. dochoc

    Are there any UK Owners of Vepr 12

    I repeat again ALL Al version has steel insert, glued to Al Body. You can also glue steel insert with loctite to barrel. To remove MB after loctite, you'll need high temp. Glueing with loctite would not unfortunately be considered a permanent fix in the uk. Welding or brazing/silver soldering is the only thing that would be allowed.
  9. dochoc

    Are there any UK Owners of Vepr 12

    Hi Abbadon How would you fix the molot brake to the barrel permanently? I believe the current Brake is forged aluminium which obviously could not be welded to the barrel. Early brakes were made in steel which would be ideal. Do you have a source of these steel brakes? This is the route that I am currently trying to go down but I cant find a steel molot brake! Molot has never made Muzlle brake from steel except a dozen of Efimov design muzzle brake, known as Polygon, Vsevolod Ilyns design muzzle brake, known as Molot GK-1, made from aluminum with steel insert that glued to Al MB body with loctite. Pic of Efimovs muzzle brake-compensator (Polygon) made by Polygon, modified by Vsevolod Ilyn Pic of Efimovs muzzle brake-compensator (PSH-2) made by Gunstuning Laboratories and Molot Flash hider Pic of Vsevolod Ilyns muzzle brake-compensator GK-01 made by Molot from Ti Pic of Vsevolod Ilyns muzzle brake-compensator GK-01 made by Molot Arms from Al Pic of Vsevolod Ilyns muzzle brake-compensator GK-01 made by IZMASH from Al . Thanks for clearing that up. The reason I was after a steel Brake ,,was that due to the barrel length laws in the UK the Brake would need to be permanently fixed to the barrel so it cannot be removed. Maybe the Al version could be silver soldered as a permanent fix?
  10. dochoc

    Are there any UK Owners of Vepr 12

    Hi Abbadon How would you fix the molot brake to the barrel permanently? I believe the current Brake is forged aluminium which obviously could not be welded to the barrel. Early brakes were made in steel which would be ideal. Do you have a source of these steel brakes? This is the route that I am currently trying to go down but I cant find a steel molot brake!
  11. dochoc

    Are there any UK Owners of Vepr 12

    Did you remove the barrel first?. As you were not reducing the barrel below the legal 24" minimum, I guess you could do it yourself. Only reducing below the legal limit seems to require an RFD.see above. I have the Magwell version so cant use the R&L.
  12. dochoc

    Are there any UK Owners of Vepr 12

    You may have problems getting an RFD to cut down the barrel unless you first remove it from the receiver. This is not desperately straightforward. I am in the same predicament as you regarding chopping the barrel and affixing a Brake. This was a reply I had on a diff. forum. I think it would be allowed, but removing the barrel (and replacing it) to get the work done could make it more trouble than its worth. If you manage to find some one prepared to do the work with the barrel still attached let me know. Since it is illegal under the firearms acts to shorten a shotgun barrel or rifle barrel to below the legal minimum unless you are a dealer and are doing it for the purpose of cutting back to decent metal to extend it again (as you would when re-barrelling a side by side) - please see the guidance notes: 2.32 However, section 7(3) of the 1988 Act exempts from the provisions of section 7(2) any firearm where the barrel has been shortened by a registered firearms dealer for the sole purpose of replacing part of it so as to produce a barrel not less than 24 inches in length.
  13. dochoc

    Are there any UK Owners of Vepr 12

    Barrel length is an issue. They are coming in at nearly 27" which is really too long for psg in my opinion.If you want to add a decent brake this will add another 3-5".. I have however seen a few on the circuit so maybe an actual owner will chip in. I shoot a 24" S12 which as you know is the UK minimum barrel length for this type of firearm, and this is really beyond what is practical. The top guys at the World shoot were using considerably shorter guns to very good effect.
  14. dochoc

    aluminum muzzle brakes

    And not safety for shooter and people around Thats what I was talking about when I said not cool. Sorry I was'nt clear. I am glad this topic came up and we have some Russian friends to give us some usefull info on this stuff. This does not happen if someone use Original GK-01 made by Molot!!! And I reapet again, If someone are going to buy Vsevolod Ilyn design muzzle brake, called GK-01, do not wont any problems with GK-01 in the future - buy ONLY ORIGINAL GK-01 made BY MOLOT (Molot is a plant located in Russia, not in China or USA), beware of Danger copies! So how can we buy the Molot Version? Having seen them in action at the World shoot in Hungary I am totally sold. I am based in the UK , So attempting to order anything from a US based supplier is a bust. Is there a RU site that I can order from. Have looked at the Molot site but cannot find parts. Also dont read RU !! You can buy Ilyne's Muzzle Brake made by Molot, called GK-01, in shooter-shop.ru they have a person in US whom you can contact +1 (347) 257-97-82, E-mail:orders@shooters-shop.ru, Skype: THESOI. Here is topics: What muzzle brake is this?? (PIC) PS Maybe you ask your local Molot dealer to import a couple of dozen for Vepr-12 users. Thanks. Oleg from Rusmilitary is now starting to bring in the Vepr12, to the UK, but due to our gun laws the barrel is 68cm/27" which is really too long. We are allowed 24" barrels, but so far as I know,no one is prepared to shorten the barrel.
  15. dochoc

    aluminum muzzle brakes

    And not safety for shooter and people around Thats what I was talking about when I said not cool. Sorry I was'nt clear. I am glad this topic came up and we have some Russian friends to give us some usefull info on this stuff. This does not happen if someone use Original GK-01 made by Molot!!! And I reapet again, If someone are going to buy Vsevolod Ilyn design muzzle brake, called GK-01, do not wont any problems with GK-01 in the future - buy ONLY ORIGINAL GK-01 made BY MOLOT (Molot is a plant located in Russia, not in China or USA), beware of Danger copies! So how can we buy the Molot Version? Having seen them in action at the World shoot in Hungary I am totally sold. I am based in the UK , So attempting to order anything from a US based supplier is a bust. Is there a RU site that I can order from. Have looked at the Molot site but cannot find parts. Also dont read RU !!
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