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Can't get a mod involved here, as they really need to stay neutral.
If he calls me again, I will see if he will accept shipping labels forwarded to expedite the process and what his status is.
Jack
I've kind of been out of Saiga mode for awhile since I've been focused on other things, but came back by here since someone I work with recently became interested in getting a Saiga. Didn't really expect this. I don't feel comfortable reaching out to Pauly since I've never really done business with him or really ever talked to him. But I do live 20 minutes away from the address listed on his Oregon business license. If someone could convince him to hand over the parts and return addresses, I'd pay for return shipping out of pocket to get them back to their owners.
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Looking for the large (B3) size backstrap for the Magpul MIAD. Black prefered, but any color would work. Send me a message if you have one you could part with. Thanks.
EDIT: Found one, thanks.
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Whoa, how i misss her? whats the deets?
This thread http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/12322-miss-saiga-pictures/ in the "Funny - Off Topic" section
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Upon further investigation and through advanced computer enhancement techniques, I have concluded that Mike has retired to Florida to stalk the official unofficial Ms. Saiga.
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Sarco Inc. seems to have it available for $380 plus shipping. I've heard good things about them on a couple of 1911 boards, but have never dealt with them personally.
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There is no law that says you cannot convert a Title 1 Shotgun or Rifle into a Title 1 Firearm.
Interesting point. It appears that a 19" barrel Saiga 12 is just a little over 28" from the end of the barrel to the rear of the receiver (with the stock tab cut off). I hadn't really thought about how it would be essentially remade from a shotgun to an other firearm. I have read a little bit in the past about ARs being converted from rifle to pistol format and back to rifles. From what I understand in those cases is that it's better to start with a pistol configuration rather than start with a rifle. Some little ATF rules about how the order counts.
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You still need to maintain the 26" overall length. I don't know if there is a legal definition for the stock, but I would imagine it would need to have vertical component so that you could argue it would be able to be shouldered. A minimalist folding stock might work if you just left if folded...?
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Bottom line is making an S12 pistol grip only is a no-no.
Unless you want to pay the tax.
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So If I took a Mossberg 590A1 that came with a regular sporter style butt stock and put a pistol grip on it thus removing the butt stock I would be in violation?
Without going through the hoops of making it an NFA weapon, that's the way I read the law. At that point you'd probably want to make it an SBS anyway. Otherwise, just buy it with the pistol grip only from the factory.
And what if I bought a Mossberg 590A1 from someone else who already changed it to be pistol grip would I be in violation for owning it even though I did not know how it came from the manufacturer?
If I was going to buy any "firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell" I would either buy it new in box, or find out if the factory would confirm that serial number as being in the proper configuration when it was made. Better safe than sorry.
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Glad to hear that it wasn't stolen. Hopefully it'll stay that way. My suggestion if it had been delivered (besides contacting the postal inspector) would have been to talk to the kid the next time I saw him. Don't accuse him of anything, just say you noticed him and that truck when one of your packages went missing. Ask him if he saw anything suspicious, and mention that some "firearm stuff" was stolen and the FBI/ATF/Secret Service might need to talk to him about it and that truck. Chances are it would have shown up pretty quickly...or ended up in the bottom of a lake I suppose.
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Actually, I'm surprised that one of the gunsmith gurus we have around here hasn't chimed in with their knowledge on why Mossberg and others can sell "shotguns" with only a pistol grip and not a shoulder-able stock.
Can you link us some documentation on that info? This is all I can find..... http://www.examiner....ates-new-danger
Question 18 on a 4473 covers this:
Question 18. Type of Firearm(s): Check all boxes that apply. "Other"
refers to frames, receivers, and other firearms that are not either handguns or
long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel
a shotgun shell, or National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms.
So a pistol grip only shotgun from the manufacturer is an "Other" weapon, not an "Any Other Weapon." Converting it from a shotgun (has shoulder stock) to a pistol grip would be an issue.
Also, since a pistol grip only shotgun is not a shotgun or rifle (it's other), it can't be transferred to someone under the age of 21.
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Where are you located? Do you have a local regional firearms message board?
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I love Federal bulk, they run without flaw in my Saiga 12 and they are cheap. 4 bucks for a box of 25 and 20 bucks for 100 pack, you can't beat that with stick.
If you're only paying $4 a box for 25, you're getting ripped off for the 100 pack...
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I didn't read this entire topic so forgive me if a letter similar to mine has been posted. I have often argued than the saiga shotgun with a threaded muzzle cap has 15 foreign parts. Many have said my position is incorrect. From what I understand, I was only incorrect that a saiga shot gun has 16 parts if it has a muzzle device (or maybe the saiga thread protector does not count as a muzzle device...) and now the saiga 12 has an operating rod. I present a copy of the letter I received from the firearms technology branch today.
I read your letter to the BATF and their response and I notice that the list you provided for 922 parts on a factory Saiga 12 differed from what they said.
Your list:
- Muzzle Device
- Barrel
- Barrel shroud or Foreend
- Piston
- Bolt Carrier
- Bolt
- Hammer
- Trigger
- Disconnector
- Receiver
- Trunion
- Shoulder Stock
- Magazine Body
- Magazine Floorplate
- Magazine Follower
Their list: (reordered to match your list and removed items without asterisk)
- (Muzzle Attachment not on their list)
- Barrel
- Forearm/handguard
- Gas Piston
- Bolt Carrier
- Bolt
- Hammer
- Trigger
- Disconnector
- Frame or Receiver
- Mounting blocks (trunnions)
- Buttstock
- Magazine body
- Magazine Floorplate
- Magazine Follower
- Operating Rod
As for you questions, they didn't seem to specifically answer all of them, but seemed to let you infer the answers for some.
Q1: Is the piston puck considered the piston, or is the piston the part attached to the bolt carrier?
A1: Piston puck is the piston, rod attached to carrier is the operating rod.
--From what I had read prior to your letter, the Saiga 12 had never been considered to have an operating rod. The response to your letter seems that they have changed their position, possibly leading to a count of 16 parts that would fall under 922 rather than the 15 that were assumed before.
Q2: Does the Saiga 12 have a sear.
A2: Answer is an implied no as it does not have an asterisk next to it on their parts list.
Q3: Does the Saiga 12 have a trunion? Are the trunion and receiver counted as a single part or two parts for 922?
A3: Answer implied is that the Saiga 12 has a trunion and a receiver and that they are counted separately, based on the asterisked items on the parts list.
--From other posts I've seen in this thread (and possibly other threads) there was mention of the Saiga 12 possibly having more than one trunnion (front and rear?) The question that comes to mind from this is whether multiple trunnions would count as a single item for 922, or if multiple trunnions count as multiple parts...
Q4: Does a Saiga shotgun imported with a threaded muzzle attachment have 15 or 14 foreign parts for 922 purposes
A4: Implied answer is that the muzzle attachment on a Saiga shotgun does not count as a foreign part because it did not have an asterisk on the list they provided. Also implied is that the Saiga 12 has 15 parts as there are 15 asterisked items.
--So basically they answered some questions in a way that invalidated other parts of your questions and didn't expand on those parts that would need clarification. One other thing about the muzzle attachment issue that has always confused me is whether they consider the threads on the barrel to be the muzzle attachment, or the item that is threaded on to the barrel. From their answer to your question 4 it would seem to be implied that the threads themselves are not the attachment, and that the factory thread protector is also not an attachment. It is also possible that the person writing the response wasn't aware that there is a model of Saiga 12 that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel and thread protector, even though you specified it in your question.
What your letter and response has shown me is that everyone needs to write their own letter if they are particularly concerned about the issue, everyone needs to include many examples and cases that include what-if scenarios based on their answers to previous questions, and no two people will likely get the same response.
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I'd love to do that, I however, am correct-handed lol
I came here to say that as well...sometimes it sucks being right
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I like the idea of a 50 round drum because you could put two full boxes of shells in it...but for practical purposes I think a 25 would be better.
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An adapter that allowed different chokes to be used and had external threads for a brake would be ideal. A poly choke with threads for a brake would be good. A set of chokes each threaded for a brake would also good. Basically, I am interested in something...
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The worst part about this forum is that I keep finding new things I want to buy, and a reason to get 5 drums...I don't think I could let the bag be less than full.
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I just bought my S-12 and have been reading a lot. For me, I think the best way to polish the bolt will be to talk to Pauly. He's fairly local, so that is a plus for me as well.
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I'm pretty new here, just bought my first S-12. I've been lurking around a bit and reading just about every topic that is recent (within 3-6 months), searching for all the stuff I don't know and have questions about, and learning a lot. This is a great place for information and so far I've really only read the S-12 section...I'll have to move on to the rifle section at some point.
Has anyone heard from Pauly?
in Pauly's STEELIN' - Custom Fabrication
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This. I understand that Pauly may be in a bad place and the idea that he may not be able to complete his obligations are probably weighing on him. So much so that it may be making it difficult to get better. Being able to get peoples parts back to them so that there is one less overwhelming thing to work on and worry about may or may not be enough to get out of the downward spiral. Keeping the parts, not finishing them, and not coping with that may delay the work getting done indefinitely and be a push further down the spiral.