Flatland Shooter

Thanks for the quick response gentlemen. I think I will give it a try. Mine is running quite well but every little bit helps. Bill

I didn't want to interrupt another thread but was curious about the following comment posted. "The best thing I have done to mine is to polish the everliving crap out of the bolt and carrier. That dramatically improved reliability for me and got rid of the "crunchy" feeling mine had when cycling the action." I've not done this to my pre-XN gun and don't remember this mentioned before on any forum, but wondered if others have polished their bolt and carrier.

I believe a gunsmith named Krebs tried to shorten a couple MKA 1919 shotguns. http://www.krebscustom.com/ Came across some YouTube video on this a while back. Also heard that they may not be super reliable. But I may have heard wrong. Give it a try and let us know how it worked out.

Makes sense. I did notice that his Saiga had a Benelli sticker on the barrel. Thought that was humorous.

I know this is an old thread but it does seem to be the appropriate place. This evening the Outdoor channel had a show that highlighted the USPSA 2014 Multigun Nationals. It featured several top shooters over several stages. One thing that caught my eye was Taran Butler running a Saiga 12 in Open. I checked his business website and do not see that he works on them. It might have been a one time thing for Taran, but its good to see the big boys running mag fed shotguns.

That one round put off so much smoke in the video that I thought you even slipped in a black powder shell.

So do any of the parts also fit XN and pre-XN guns or is it something all new? In the one pictured, have you replaced the internals with USA made parts? Drop in or a lot of fitting required? Thanks.

Lower or handguard or both? Will the modified bolts be offered? Thanks.

OK, my pre-XN shotgun runs great. I ,have no desire or current need to change platforms but I am concerned about spare parts in the future. In addition to the cost of the gun itself, the two high dollar parts on my gun is the side charging handguard and the aluminum lower receiver. Assuming the current XN guns and their parts will still be available in the future, will I be able to use my current lower in an XN gun? And can my handguard be modified to work in an XN gun?

Looked over the ad and I have several observations. First, its labeled as an "MKA 1919" and not the "XN" model. Could this mean some of the parts are compatible with the old pre-XN models? Second, it does not indicate where it was made or if it is 922r compliant. If they want to market it as a competition gun, you better be able to shoot it with large capacity magazines. Nice to see it held together for 6000 hot shotshell rounds but to be taken seriously, it will need someone to supply parts. Bill Reviewed the animation of how to remove the bolt on the "Match" model a

Firebird Precision has several YouTube videos on how to convert a 5 rd magazine to 15 rd magazine with their adapter and a Saiga 12 magazine. On one of the videos is a nice section on tuning the feed lips of MKA magazines. Give it a look see. Bill

Rifle? Also pass on Federal shells. All that I tried had too soft a case. For practice I use Remington Gun Club and matches Remington STS. Now that my shotgun is well broken in, it handles the 1145 fps loads with no problems.

Remington Gun Club and Remington STS 1-1/8 oz 1200 fps should work once your gun is broken in. And once its really broken in, you should not have problems with the 1145 fps stuff.

What can I say? I'm one of those don't try to chew gum and walk kind of guys. That probably came out more arrogant than I intended. My point was that you should be able to get your reload times down quite a bit, reducing the need (and risk) to come up with an alternate solution. Not arrogant at all. I agree and that's why I've been practicing with my shotgun a lot. Pistol reloads are great but reloads with both AR and MKA magazines just feel clumsy no matter how much I practice.

Or take it out and shoot it. I have several shotguns and I'll put more rounds through the MKA 1919 in a year than I did the all the other shotguns combined in the past 10 years. They are fun to shoot.

Please post info and pics when you get it. Thanks.

Currently XN models are available new as low as $399.99. You might get a slight premium from someone that wants a pre-XN gun as a backup or parts gun. I did just that. I wanted a spare for my competition modified MKA 1919 and paid $450 for one. But at that time the price on XN guns was higher (around $599). Without listing the extra parts you have, no clue on what they might be worth. Some after market parts will fit both the pre-XN and XN guns, but most will not. Bill

2.25 seems like there's some room for improvement. What can I say? I'm one of those don't try to chew gum and walk kind of guys. That was one consideration but if I'm going all the way down to my belt, I'ii probably do just as well going for a magazine. Thanks for the suggestion.

I guess I need to save up for one of those flame throwers. SASS is getting real popular in our area. I need to go by one of their matches someday.

You have more talent than me. My reloads with the 10 rd magazine are consistent at 2.25 seconds. My one shell reloads save me close to 3/4 of a second. (I did have one under a second but I don't think that will ever happen in a match.) The fumbles with the one shot reload are a result of dropping or movement of the shell on recoil. That's something that mounting the round to the gun would eliminate. On the magazine reloads, I'm still trying to find what really works for me. I've tried on the belt with shells up and with shells down. I've even experimented with a magazine hung from

I spent a couple of days at the range this week and had time to play with this a bit. (Its nice to be retired.) Some of the things I've found (and it may possibly be just me) is that I can reload a smaller magazine from the belt faster than a larger magazine. I was using 10 rd, 15 rd and 18 rd magazines for comparison. I also found that loading a single round and dropping the bolt was much faster than reloading with a 10 rd magazine. In this test I held a single shell in my left hand with the primer end of the shell towards the muzzle. When the last shot from the magazine held the bo

...anything to win. Even marginally legal modifications, like removing the slide lock on pump shotguns. I've seen it. Unsafe as hell, but boy, was he fast! Winning is ALL to some. Spend THOUSANDS to win a piece of paper that says "I won!". ...anything to win. And what's wrong with that? You compete to lose? Even marginally legal modifications..... Depending on the rules (or for some matches, lack of rules) its either legal or not. If you don't like it, either avoid it or get involved. Make a difference to the sport. Unsafe as hell.... The rules do cover that. If i

Yeh, but what if you practice the gimmicks?

After I saw your post this morning I pulled my spare (100% factory) MKA 1919 out of the gun safe and tried the technique and you are right. On that gun its hard to get the bolt to release with a magazine installed. On my match gun, I'm able to get it to drop with not much effort at all. More effort than dropping the bolt on an AR, but not enough to make it seem like I'm pushing it all that hard. The magazines that I'm using in this experiment are factory 10 rd. The match gun has a aluminum lower and is very well broke in (over 3,000 rds). When I installed the new lower I had to

Just trying to think out of the box, A local club does not allow us to load slugs and birdshot in the same magazine. The same rule applies to folks with tube guns. Sometimes the last target on a stage requires a slug. My thought is burn the last round or so of birdshot and on LRBHO pop in a slug for that last target. My MKA 1919 uses a C-More that is mounted further forward than most and in playing around I've found I can drop in a round with my left hand over the top of the gun and hit the bolt stop with my left thumb Now I'm looking for a way to get the slug into my left hand