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  1. Thanks Matt.


    I guess as long as I behave myself, I can go a little longer without many problems.  Now that the gun runs well with 1145 fps loads, I'll run those in hopes that it helps to cut down on the wear and tear.



  2. I was reading on another forum that the "service life" on a Saiga 12 is between 9,000 and 10,000 rounds.  After that, its considered disposable.


    Anyone have info or estimates on the service life of an MKA 1919?


    For most owners the number of rounds shot per year is probably not that many.  But for competition shooters, those of us that buy shotgun shells several cases at a time, it may become a problem.


    I'm well over 3000 rds through mine and ordered another 4 cases of shells this afternoon.





  3. That is a distinct possibility, they contacted me today about that very topic. 

    You got inside info ? ?004.gif    ,    smile.png   


    Sorry, my crystal ball is on the fritz.   But it does give me a warm and fuzzy feeling that in the near future there may be someone in the US that can supply parts and service for the MKA 1919.


    Now, bust my bubble and tell me that if its happens, it will only cover "XN" models.



  4. I'm new to this site and love reading most of the post (even the arguing, ha). Would like some direction on what to look for when purchasing.


    1.  There's a guy in our town that has a new in box for $500. Is that a good deal?


    As others have pointed out, you might be able to pick one up a little cheaper. Depending on when he purchased the gun, he may have more than $500 tied up in it.



    2. What does pre XN mean? How do you tell and which one do I want?  


    On the side of the upper receiver it will say "MKA 1919" (the pre-XN model) or "MKA 1919 XN" (the current model). As the proud owner of two pre_XN guns, I would probably recommend you go with the newer XN model simply because more aftermarket parts are available for it.  Not all parts fit both guns.


    3. Where do you get your after market parts?


    Two major sources of top quality parts are "Firebird Precision" and "Tooth and Nail".  I've done business with both and have zero complaints about either.


    Any other advise would be appreciated and thx ahead of time.

  5. I was at the range yesterday sighting in the red dot on my MKA 1919 for a new batch of slugs when I wondered if loading a single round at a time and lowering or dropping the bolt on the loaded chamber would cause problems. (I have the titanium firing pin.)


    A lot of what I learned about guns was taught to me over 50 years ago.  I'm sure much of it still applies but things change. With new technology and designs, some of my old thoughts no longer apply.


    On all my semi-auto firearms, I've always chambered rounds by stripping them off of a magazine.  I was under the impression that on 1911/2011 pistols not using a magazine would cause problems over time with the extractor.  So since it was the best procedure for the 1911/2011, I further assumed it was best for all my guns.


    Does it do no harm or it does damage the extractor slowly over time?


    Some think its worth it.  The competitors that use a "Match Saver" on their shotgun don't seem too concerned.  In my case it would speed up loading during matches.  Now I chamber a round and top off the magazine.  Pop one into the chamber and then insert the magazine would speed things up slightly.





  6. Keep your mind out of the gutter, OK?


    Its been pointed out that hot loads tear up a MKA 1919.  Mine is pre-XN.


    To those that have torn up their guns, what part(s) broke?  Just the bolt?  Extractor? Upper receiver?  What?


    Will higher quality made in America replacement parts solve the problem?


    I don't plan on shooting a lot of hot loads but I am looking at shooting lots and lots of low power loads.  I typically shoot 1-1/8 oz 1200 fps shells (over 2500 rds to date).  But a friend borrowed my shotgun for a stage last weekend and used Win AA 1300 fps loads that seemed to cycle significantly faster that my loads.


    For matches I might go with a little hotter load but I also want to make sure this gun stays in good shape and match ready.


    Information would be appreciated.





    That $200 price tag sounds high for just a replacement bolt, BUT, if it is an improved version that solves the problem once an for all it will be worth it.  



    bolt, bolt lock , firing pin retaining pin, extractor, extractor spring, extractor detent pin


    Six parts



    For pre-XN guns, do you keep most of these parts in stock?  Are they NOS or are they better than stock parts manufactured by you or someone else?


    Time to compile a shopping list.





  8. I have a few pre XN bolts and carriers

    That is good news.


    I mentioned on another thread that my only concern for the MKA 1919 is parts availability.  As a competitive shooter, my shotgun will see more rounds through it in a month than most sporting shotguns see in a lifetime.  Everyone that I've loaned my gun to has liked it.  The base price to get started is not bad.  Its not a complicated gun to work on and with the current batch of accessories available, it has all the potential needed to be the best competition shotgun out there.


    A lot of competition shooters do not hesitate to plunk down thousands of dollars for a new gun.  But no reasonable person will spend even half that for a gun that once broken will stay broken. On the USPSA side of things, I'm sure there are handguns out there that would be great for the sport but availability of replacement parts has doomed them to be the occassional oddity at the range.


    I've been lucky.  My MKA 1919 runs flawlessly and I've had no major broken parts.  But I'm no fool (though some will argue that point) and I know that in time my gun will break.  For insurance, I have a spare stock gun in the safe to be used solely for parts.  Not all are willing to part with that amount of money on the fear that they will not be able to repair a match gun without it.


    I have four friends that will be joining me at a local 3 gun match in a few weeks.  For three of them, all long time USPSA shooters, it will be their first 3 gun match. All will be using my shotgun.


    If they love the sport and decide to go all out with new gear, can I recommend the MKA 1919?  And if I do, must I use the caveat that its great now but you may have trouble findiing parts in the future?


    The success of the MKA 1919 and its variants will not be in the hands of the competitors.  We have tried it and we like it.  It will be on the hands of folks like Jim and Matt and anyone else that is willing to step into the marketplace with the parts to improve these guns and help keep them running.


    So to Firebird Precision and Tooth and Nail, thank you.






    we can make bolts but small numbers make them too expensive at this time 

     Would just be easier cheaper to buy another XN just for parts only?


    no but our billet machined bolt would be $200.00 in small run numbers

    it needs to be half that with a little profit for my work to be a viable product



    Its has to use our lock as well, and also uses our extractor (part of why so spendy)



    If the billet machined bolt would solve the problem once and for all, then it would be a big seller.  So in time, do you think you will offer these?


    From what I've read so far it seems like the bolt and drive block are the weak links.  Or is there other parts I need to be concerned about?





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