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So I'm guessing these Washington state lawmakers are aware that the firearms they are trying to ban are actually not assault weapons, that other states like California have passed similar laws and seen their murder rates continue to rise, and that banning firearms will be as effective at preventing criminals from acquiring them as our drug ban laws have been at preventing criminals trafficking drugs. Gotta love politicians, why bother with little things like reason or logic when BS will suffice.

They aren't ready yet, but Cameron is working on them. There are details in this thread, and this one.

A double-barreled 10 gauge..........damn , if you ever try firing both barrels at once from that monster , please be sure to let us know how many feet it throws you back from the firing line .

Nope, the Russian 8 rounders are made out of the same polymer material as the Russian 5 rounders, though both the Russian 5 rounders and the Russian 8 rounders have a steel front locking tab (Russian mags are built to Russian mil-spec standards as well). By the way there are X-ray pictures of various Saiga 12 mags in this thread. Well in terms of durability I don't think anyone would dispute that currently the most durable Saiga 12 mags are the Russian 5 & 8 rounders, and of course the MD-20 drum, and don't forget that Cameron's steel mags and Mike D.'s polymer doubl

And this is why when people ask me what is the best gun forum on the web, why I don't hesitate to immediately say the Saiga 12 forum. How may other gun forums can a member post a question about how to replace one of the more obscure parts on a firearm, and not only have an answer to that question within just a few hours of posting, but to get their question answered in such detail by none other than the experts who work on these firearms for a living. The living knowledge base on this forum and the helpfulness of its members is unlike anything I have ever found on any other gun forum. There ma

Cameron said he would be making two versions, one that would use a magwell, and one that will be a conventional 'rock and lock' type that would work in a stock Saiga 12.

I don't think so because the MD20 would still offer an equal or greater capacity in a much shorter (albeit wider) package. Even if weight is the same, shorter mags are less cumbersome than long mags, and the MD20, while it would be wider than a 20 round double-stack mag, would still be quite a bit shorter. Afterall the MD20 is shorter than the 8 round single stack box mags, and really not even that much taller than the 5 round single stack box mags, while a double-stack 20 round box mag would probably be a bit taller than a single-stack 10 round mag. In any sort of real life scenario (i.e. a c

Here is what Mike D. himself said on the ETA (back on post #80): Of course (as with any industry) any time a new product is being developed there's always a chance its ETA to market could get pushed back, but if Mike himself believes the mags will be on the market possibly as soon as the early part of 2010, then it's probably safe to say that even if there are some delays that push back his initial ETA, the mags will almost certainly still reach the market by sometime in 2010.

If you can't find anyone to get a used MD-20 drum from and are willing to get a new one instead, you might want to try giving Rusmilitary in Crowthorne Berkshire a call. All though they don't currently list the MD-20 drum on their magazines page, they used to carry it, and so you might might be able to order a brand new MD-20 from the U.S. through them.

It was a new design feature relatively speaking. The 10/44, which was the self-loading .44 mag carbine that Ruger made from the early-1960s up until the mid-1980s, used a fixed tubular magazine. The self-loading .44 mag carbine Ruger made from the early 2000s up until the mid-2000s was called the Deerfield, and the Deerfield used a detachable rotary magazine and also differed in some other design details from the 10/44 (the Deerfield was actually closer in design to the Mini-14/Ranch Rifle than to the 10/44), and I am not sure of how many (if any) parts are interchangeable between the 10/44 an

13 (my lucky number)

I bet Mr. Cool Ice gets all the babes. What woman could resist such awesome tatoos.

You are good to go as long as you only use U.S. made magazines. Briefly, according to the ATF the Saiga 12s that are imported into the U.S., which have no pistol grip, have 14 countable parts, and so if you add a pistol grip the total part count is increased by 1 to 15. To be 922r compliant no more than 10 countable parts can be foreign made, so 5 parts need to be replaced with U.S. made parts. Your Tapco stock counts as one U.S. made part, the Tapco handguard another, and a magazine has three countable parts (magazine body, magazine follower, magazine floor plate), so with a U.S. made mag

The E-store here has them. See bottom of this page: http://www.saiga-12.com/products.asp .

Were you firing the bird loads on gas setting #1 or #2? If you had been firing them on #1, then next time try the #2 setting instead. To find out how many gas ports you have, first unscrew the gas plug from the gas block and remove the gas piston. Then bend out the end of a paper clip and use the tip to feel around inside the gas block (near the front of the gas block) for the gas ports. Sometimes you can see the ports as well, but often not because the ports can be so close to the front of the gas block that the angle just doesn't allow you to see them, but you will still be able to feel them

Disassemble your mag and see if there is any plug/limiter in it. I know the russian factory 5 round Saiga 12 mags sold by rusmilitary in the U.K. come with a removable 2-round limiter, and though I've never heard of any Saiga 12 mags in the U.S. coming with the limiter in them, it's certainly possible.

If you ever want more of a challenge get a 12 round mag or a 20 round drum, and then try to beat Tom Knapp's record of breaking 10 hand tossed clays before they hit the ground. Definitely wouldn't be easy (and definitely too far past my skill level for me to even try), but with a Saiga 12 and a big enough mag, at least theoretically possible for someone with really good clay-busting skills.

The Tromix tips page ( http://www.tromix.com/saiga-servicetips.htm ) has a lot of good information on the Saiga 12, including ammunition tips. The gas port problem is just when a Saiga 12 is made with gas ports that are either too few, too small, or in the wrong location so they are actually partially covered up by the gas block during final assembly. Any of these issues can results in the Saiga 12 being under-gassed which can cause cycling problems. If your Saiga 12 has such cycling problems, then contact Cadiz Gun Works, who is the official Saiga warranty center for the U.S., and also a

Looks like fun. I wonder if anyone will bring an S17 with one of Will's suppressors to the 2010 shoot? An 8 in. barreled Saiga 12 with a suppressor would fit right in there.

922r compliance is a confusing subject, but it is the law (a ridiculous and utterly pointless law to be sure, but the law none the less), so it is just something us U.S. citizens have to deal with. Don't let it scare you away from the Saiga 12 or any other firearm. The simplest way to look at how 922r applies to the Saiga 12 is that if you have a stock Saiga 12 you can use any 5 round (or lesser capacity) magazine in it (irregardless of whether the magazines are foreign or U.S. made), and if you want to legally use a U.S. made magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds, then to maintain 92

As Dylan mentioned you need to derivet and then completely remove the factory trigger guard and the trigger guard plate. Once that is done the Tromix DIY trigger guard installs in their place like so.............. These pictures (courtesy of Tony) can also be found if you go to post #58 on the second page of this thread ( http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=23550 ) in the Tromix section.

Interesting, I would have though the 7.62x39mm AP200 rounds would have penetrated deeper than, or at least as deep as, the .223 SS109 rounds. Just goes to show that one can't say anything for sure until its been tested. What range were you shooting that 3 in. thick steel plate at? Are you going to try some regular .223 and 7.62x39mm full metal jacket rounds as well (might be interesting to see how vanilla FMJ rounds compare to the SS109 and AP200)?

Toughness and reliability under harsh conditions is the main reason I chose a Saiga 12 as my first shotgun. A Saiga 12 is a shotgun that is AK tough and AK reliable, literally. And while I know the pump gun fans on other forums would invariably try to find a way disagree with me, I also have no doubt that as long as a shooter is using ammo with sufficient power to cycle it, a Saiga 12 is at least as tough and reliable as a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 590 (or any other pump action shotgun for that matter). If any 870 or 590 fans reading this post want to accuse me of heresy, I would merely remi

Most of the regular Express versions of the 870 (which are set up for hunting) do come from the factory with just a 4+1 capacity magazine. The self-defense versions of the 870 (which Remington usually calls the special purpose versions) like the tactical and the marine magnum though, come from the factory with a 2 or 3 shot magazine extension tube already installed. For 870s that come from the factory with a 4 round magazine, it is possible to install a magazine extension tube, but as has been mentioned on newer 870s there are dimples that would prevent the magazine follower and

Correct, when switching between the Saiga 12's gas settings you go back and fourth between the gas settings by rotating the plug counter-clockwise (out) from your starting gas setting to get to the other gas setting, and then rotating the plug clockwise (in) to get back to the starting gas setting. So in general you screw the gas plug in all the way, and if it doesn't stop right on a gas setting detent (which is the case on most Saiga 12s, so you got lucky with yours stopping right on the #2 detent) then back it out counter clockwise to whichever gas setting it hits first (it doesn't matte