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  1. Almost exclusively Wolf with some brown Bear here and there. Also about 40 rounds of PMC and Winchester. All have been 122-124gn bullets.

     

    Again I do not know when it began I have never given that area much attention while cleaning. I just happend to notice it by chance when I was moving the rifle while cleaning it.

    I would email the importer with those pictures and go from there.

     

     

    That may not help much, as I have owned this rifle for a couple years and it is a RAA import.

     

    I would have an AK smith look at it. The worst case might be the barrel gas hole is too big and would need to be welded up and redrilled.

    If you have the tools and know how, it might be a cake walk for you. Hopefully, your gas block is pinned and not secured on by dimples.

  2. Just a thought. When are you supposed to swap the recoil springs?

     

    Most other weapon platforms I read about were in the 5000 round limit. He has not reached that point so if it is not overgased or a defective spring then maybe a pressure peak issue of the ammo. If it was ammo that peaks later than mil spec ammo, then I would suppose it could be the ammo, but I would have to think the Wolf ammo makers would have their pressure peaks correct.

    With the .308 saigas, I am really surprised this does not happen more often because plenty of the ammo people use have varying peak levels and as with M1 garands or M14 types and hunting ammo that does not seem to work for overgassing according to expert gun smiths.

  3. Almost exclusively Wolf with some brown Bear here and there. Also about 40 rounds of PMC and Winchester. All have been 122-124gn bullets.

     

    Again I do not know when it began I have never given that area much attention while cleaning. I just happend to notice it by chance when I was moving the rifle while cleaning it.

    I would email the importer with those pictures and go from there.

  4. Modern tula ammo ain't steel-core. It is the CASING that is steel. The projectile itself is copper and lead.

    ok while they are staying if it holds a magnet placed on the tip, you can not shoot it.

     

    Most recently imported 7.62x39 ammo since the mid 1990s usually has a steel thin jacket material NOT THE CORE..

    The US Federal government does not allow steel core 7.62x39 ammo to be imported and so no distributors would have any.

    Unless you happen to have bought some old 1990s ammo, there is zero chance your ammo has a steel core.

    A magnet will stick to the steel jacket which is why many range employees are often not the brightest people.

    I can't begin to discuss how many range employees tried to certify that Wolf or any other Russian ammo is steel core.

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  5. My SGL 31 had the same issue with the original handguard. A very small bit of front and back play. Very annoying, but not worth the trouble of invoking the warranty in my case. I found though that the used black Russian handguards K-Var sells that appear to be identical to the new U.S. ones are actually a little bit longer, enough to remove the front and back play.

     

    This is very good to know. If the factory fits a longer Russian handguard in Russia and exports it to the USA, the shorter USA made one can be tightened to fit with a shim placed between the forward handguard steel prongs and the inner retainer. A piece of sheet metal can be cut to fit for this application.

  6. Yup. 1K of it.

     

    Is the jacket thinner? Are the cuts there? Is the cavity the same depth?

     

    No cuts, by both visual and probe checking. Same checks against my old stock of MC found them. Depth appears about the same but the tip hole is smaller. Same 124gr bullet weight.

     

    Have you tried shooting water containers to determine any kind of terminal performance indication?

     

    Nope, just arrived this week and no time to get out for testing.

     

    Of interesting note, Tulammo (out of Round Rock, TX) now has both 122gr and 124gr HP product offerings. Just put 1K of the new 124GR HP on order this morning.

     

    Wolf importing has traditional imported Tula under the Wolf name.Wolf black box had been repackaged Tula from way back. Oddly, the Tula ammo boxes declare they are not the same anymore even though the weights are identical. Time to go test the new stuff out.

     

    black box 122gr fmj/hp

    Tula 122gr fmj/hp

     

    Wolf black box 154gr sp

    Tula 154 sp

     

    Wolf mil classic 124 gr fmj/hp

    Tula 124 gr fmj/hp

  7. Yup. 1K of it.

     

    Is the jacket thinner? Are the cuts there? Is the cavity the same depth?

     

    No cuts, by both visual and probe checking. Same checks against my old stock of MC found them. Depth appears about the same but the tip hole is smaller. Same 124gr bullet weight.

     

    Have you tried shooting water containers to determine any kind of terminal performance indication?

  8. I know the wolf and the sapson have the same 'bullet', with different factory loadings. What Im getting at is, (maybe a dumb question) should accuracy be close between the three loadings? I know these ones are good, but If I find real sapson m8 bullets in different cartrige, should they at least be close?

     

    Not any more. Military Classic from WPA no longer has the 8M3 bullet.

     

    According to whom?

     

    Dealer/distributors and the order I just received.

     

    Something that might not have even been considered before is that maybe it is an improved version of the old 8m3 that works even better. It is odd that it holds the same 124 grain weight which has been distinct to 8m3 since it was first imported.

    Wolf Black box hollow points have been 122 gr

    Bear hp 123 gr

     

    Anyone have some of the latest edition of mil classic hp to check for the jacket cuts?

    WMCULYHP_3.jpg

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    Has anyone had, seen or shot these before? Im wondering if these are new or old, and if i can expect to see them more often.

     

     

    That is the same ammo that is used in the hog hunt on this thread.

    http://www.texashunt...opics/1890654/1

     

     

    It was also sold in white boxes with blue trim as seen in this picture above the bird and another

    version of it as military classic hp. It is the most lethal 7.62x39 bullet design that has been imported from

    Russia. The bullet enters flesh and quickly explodes open. The closest US equivalent is the Hornady plastic tip ammo.

    I tested both out on milk jugs http://www.youtube.c...u/0/mhyZ9ZoPJ90

    Shot 2 is the sapsan aka 8m3 you posted a picture of. Shot 3 is hornady

    russia1.jpg

     

    Hornady 7.62x39 is Cabela's brand. The ammo actually made in Russia by the same manufacturer. e.g Ulyanovsk.

     

    The bullet itself is a Hornady product made in America. Hornady has some sort of agreement to have their bullet loaded in steel cartridges.

    The Hornady plastic tip bullet I tested was on the same level of destructiveness as 8m3 from Russia.

     

    http://www.hornady.com/store/7.62-Cal-.310-123gr-SST/

     

    bullets-sst-pkg.jpg

     

    I know the wolf and the sapson have the same 'bullet', with different factory loadings. What Im getting at is, (maybe a dumb question) should accuracy be close between the three loadings? I know these ones are good, but If I find real sapson m8 bullets in different cartrige, should they at least be close?

     

    Not any more. Military Classic from WPA no longer has the 8M3 bullet.

     

    The next chance I get to buy some of the next Russian shipment of Wolf MC I am going to cut one open and check.

  10. It seems like good stuff. I was getting 2-3" groups with open sights at 100yds( would be better with a scope though). I backyard milk jug tested it against a tula 122HP and it did blow it out a bit more. Im glad I got them, I really hope I can stock up on em.

     

    I know the wolf and the sapson have the same 'bullet', with different factory loadings. What Im getting at is, (maybe a dumb question) should accuracy be close between the three loadings? I know these ones are good, but If I find real sapson m8 bullets in different cartrige, should they at least be close?

     

    Wolf black box ammo is a different grain weight and different bullet design. The Mil Classic camo box has the same bullet.

    As far as accuracy, the same identical bullet should behave the same in various loadings, but the powder load would be the greater defining factor. For accuracy, you want a powder load that produces the same pressure curve every single time and the the same exact muzzle velocity every single time. Sapsan might have been loaded x-amount of pressure and x-amount of velocity. Wolf Mil Classic camo box might have been loaded with a different powder load that produces more or less pressure and more or less velocity. Even cartridges within the same factory loadings, can be loaded with slight variations. This is most observable by measuring a set of velocities and determining the standard deviation range. The lower the standard deviation means more consistent and therefore a more precise flight path.

     

    If your concerned whether or not Mil Classic will impact at the same point of impact as Sapsan, I have noticed that the Mil classic and Sapsan I own seem to be close enough.

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    Has anyone had, seen or shot these before? Im wondering if these are new or old, and if i can expect to see them more often.

     

     

    That is the same ammo that is used in the hog hunt on this thread.

    http://www.texashunt...opics/1890654/1

     

     

    It was also sold in white boxes with blue trim as seen in this picture above the bird and another

    version of it as military classic hp. It is the most lethal 7.62x39 bullet design that has been imported from

    Russia. The bullet enters flesh and quickly explodes open. The closest US equivalent is the Hornady plastic tip ammo.

    I tested both out on milk jugs http://www.youtube.c...u/0/mhyZ9ZoPJ90

    Shot 2 is the sapsan aka 8m3 you posted a picture of. Shot 3 is hornady

    russia1.jpg

     

    Excellent info. What do you know about the box in the middle on the top? I had never seen them before and came across them at a store a month or so ago but the box didn't say much and the cartridges were sealed in a paper wrap so I couldn't check the headstamp.

     

    Barnaul ammo nearly or exactly like Brown bear.

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    Has anyone had, seen or shot these before? Im wondering if these are new or old, and if i can expect to see them more often.

     

     

    That is the same ammo that is used in the hog hunt on this thread.

    http://www.texashunt...opics/1890654/1

     

     

    It was also sold in white boxes with blue trim as seen in this picture above the bird and another

    version of it as military classic hp. It is the most lethal 7.62x39 bullet design that has been imported from

    Russia. The bullet enters flesh and quickly explodes open. The closest US equivalent is the Hornady plastic tip ammo.

    I tested both out on milk jugs http://www.youtube.c...u/0/mhyZ9ZoPJ90

    Shot 2 is the sapsan aka 8m3 you posted a picture of. Shot 3 is hornady

    russia1.jpg

  13. I don't think you can suppress the report without putting a suppressor on, at least by ATF rules. The best you could probably do would be to get a longer barrel which wouldn't suppress the report ,just put it farther from your ears, thus make the report you actually hear less.

     

    Yes, the ATF considers any direct attempt to lessen the noise even by 1 decibel as NFA territory requiring a tax stamp.

    A longer barrel will not only keep the blast farther away from your ears but will also absorb more expanding gases and reduce

    the overall muzzle blast. This is the only method that is free from legal implications.

     

    As a reference example of this method.

    www. metrogun .com

    Question: Is Metro Gun legal?

    Answer: Yes, the US Government agency, USDA, uses the Metro Gun System for nuisance pest-control as do several other agencies. This gun system has been cleared by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and is not considered to be a silencer.

    Question: How quiet is the system?

    Answer: 72 Db, or about as loud as a car door closing, or two people talking at a range of about 150 feet. (Just above the level of a silencer.)

  14. I understand Saigas are capable of good accuracy, and I am wondering, is there anything one can do during the conversion process to the sights, barrel, etc. to maximize the accuracy of a Saiga rifle?

     

    Upgrade the barrel and headspace it as tight as possible.

    A match grade bull barrel like a douglas air gauged with a slower twist rate and a premium crown.

    Match grade ammo with bullets that actually match the exact bore diameter.

    I had posted up a thread sometime back about someone that did this and his first 5 shot group was

    under an inch.

  15. i have to say that my ak is way louder than my new 12 guage i just got.

     

    Try firing a Ruger Alaskan .454 with full power loads at an indoor range.

    It will probably make you forget how loud your AK is.

    I shoot the 7.5 inch barrel version at a local indoor range with mid level loads

    and that has caused the range to evacuate fairly quick.

    I want the snubbie version even though I know it will get much louder.

     

    RugerAlaskan3.jpg

  16. hey guys i finally got to shoot my rifle today after installing the 74 brake and after the duracoat job and it seems louder? is this normal? i can tell a hell of alot of difference in the rising of the barrel and its def more stable but seems much louder? is something wrong?

    It does not increase the overall sound energy. It just redirects hot gases like a jet engine closer to your ears.

    The whole point is it is there to keep your rifle on target when rapid firing or full auto.

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