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The Hornady rounds look interesting, but I'm not confident that they will perform well after going through soft body armor, which is a requirement for me.
On page 41 of the Hornady Tap police testing report 6.8spc is tested against materials and then how it reacts with gel.
The weight is 110 gr and the velocity is between 2300 to 2400 fps which is fairly close to the weight and velocity of 7.62x39.
The testing is through a car door, firedoor, safety glass, and wall door.
The automotive safety glass is the biggest obstacle in the test. It still penetrates 9 inches of ballistic gel and creates a 4.5 inch max temporal cavity.
By comparison, Hornady 75 gr TAP which is declared the best .223 caliber incapacitator in the test results conclusions manages to penetrate
the same safety glass but only further penetrates 7.25 inches into the ballistic gel.
With that said, the same test on page 7 says that all of the Hornady .223 Tap rounds will defeat level III A armor with little effect on the performance.
Considering that the 6.8 does even better, I don't think that either 6.8 or 7.62x39 bullets with these same plastic tips are going to fail to peform well enough
through level III A and then into tissue. If I could get ahold of some III A cheap enough, I would be glad to get my video posted up of this event.
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The mil classic camo box 8m3 hp are the only cheap imported ones I tested that actually open up and react real well. Bear came second place. Wolf Black box really disappointed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhyZ9ZoPJ90
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I've done some research, and am thinking about getting a 74, but I'm not sure which is better.
Your considering terminal performance so if this is the only factor your worried about stop considering FMJ and start thinking hollow points or plastic tip ammo.
FMJ military requirements was a bleeding heart cry to minimize damage. There is a reason that hunting regulations in many places require some kind of minimum size caliber and
NON-FMJ because by doing so it increases the ability to swiftly end the life of the animal and reduce needless suffering. Placing this in a similar context, most concealed carry instructors advise against FMJ in a carry pistol because it peforms worse than a hollow point of the same caliber and increases the likelyhood of overpenetration.
7.62x39 outperforms 5.45 in terminal ballistics when you compare well designed expanding/fragmenting bullets and softpoints are not exactly designed to do what you are really looking for.
Forget M67 and look into hornady, corbon, or mil classic hollowpoints when available.
I been through this which is more effective for years and came to this conclusion not from caliber wound profile charts but by shooting plenty of stuff and measuring the results.
I can't even begin to go over how disappointed I was with 5.56/.223 versus 7.62x39, but go and satisfy yourself.
By the way, http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2020033/Re_8m3_Carnage
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Hey, i had some wolf mil classic that i broke up and put in to a good condition cleaned out ammo can. Its been in there for about a month and i opened it up to reload some magazines i shot off and i noticed that the ammo in the can is starting to spot and discolor. Ive read that its fine to store loose ammo this way. i hope i didn't just waste a lot of money and ammo.
Any suggestions and comments are greatly welcomed!
Thank you in advance
madcow
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Elk is wonderful.
Buffalo is really good.
Venison of course.
I have had jerky versions of all three kinds.
I am looking to find some fresh elk at some point.
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Fried frog legs are the best.
If I can't gig my own I buy them by the five pound box.
I tried them before and liked them.
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Deep fried Gator is GOOD!
Squid and Octopus are tasty too, altho Octopus is pretty chewy. Smoked and grilled Shark fillets are really good, just prepare and cook'em like Salmon.
I have had deep fried gator tail. It was a freshly harvested Caiman Alligator less than 6 foot long. You could cut it with a fork it was that tender I couldn't believe it could be that tender compared to restaurant served gator tails which were always gummy and tough to chew.
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What unconventional foods are your favorites and how do you prepare them?
I have heard of grilling rattle snakes, but wondered if there are any snakes to avoid eating.
I never tried turtle soup and don't know which turtles to avoid.
What is the better tasting ways to prepare rabbit?
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I just received my new SGL21-94 and noticed the lower handguard has a bit of play. It moves back and forth which I find quite annoying.
The lower handguard retainer is quite loose. The cam lever rotates very easily by finger and does not really lock down tight in the notch as it should.
Is this a common issue with SGLs ? For $1200 I expect a rock solid handguard.
Other than that I love this rifle. The included test target has an incredibly tight grouping but I have not fired it yet because I'm planning on exchanging it.
Have any of you other SGL owners experienced loose lower handguards?
Mine has absolutely no play.
Does the play you mention occur in the forward to rear axis only?
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Being as the saiga handguard retainer is pretty expensive for what it is.
Not sure if you already seen the slip on version from saiga-ak.com
Generation 2 is out and it includes a screw and sex bolt. $45 shipped
I installed one on a saiga and really like it.
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ronin grips makes these, got one feels nice, us part
I just seen the website. That was a great idea to mold a US made copy. Thanks
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Thanks for the replies.
Sounds like i should farm out the repair work since i only have MIG.
The bolt headspaces by the rearlugs contacting against the trunnion during lock up. The original bolt with matching serial number is set and the carrier will not affect how the bolt locks into the trunnion. The rear lug contact areas have wear marks where this occurs.
I have not tried it myself yet, but a standard surplus bulgarian 74 carrier should be a drop in replacement part and will not affect headspace at all.
If I had one to try out, I would post pictures. I have seen them for sale for near $20
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I figure if the problem is the handguard fit alone and it can be fixed by purchasing an Arsenal US made handguard to take its place then all is good enough.
If the problem is a loose retainer to notch fit, then that is a big problem. This would require to much fixing and I would be quite surprised that this even happened.
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So the good news: some have dimples and the muzzle nut is easily removable.
The bad news- the lower handguard is not held on tight and there is no heat shield.
Still don't know how I feel about these.
I don't get it. Is the retainer itself loose as in not fully locked in place on the barrel notch or is it the handguard slipping or rotating inside the retainer?
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He really doesn't know squat. As mentioned already by 762buzz that guy apparently isn't aware that the Russians modernized the AK with the 74 design then went on to build millions more of them. Apparently he's also not aware of the AK103.
He's pretty much an ignorant douche with an axe to grind. Youtube seems to have a lot of people like that.
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Yeah, that guy says in one of his videos "Where are you going to find a 7.62x39 AK74 bolt...not on any battle field."
He really is not aware of the AK103/104 which in his own words would be deemed not mil spec, not universal, and fragile.
OMG look at all those rifles with non-milspec handguards.
Don't those guys know that without wood furniture their rifles are useless paperweights?
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If this doesn't convince anyone he is smoking crack, nothing will.
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Video 3 of 3 has some pretty funny comments
@bottle2lip What happened when E. Stoner tried to use a larger cal. in his rifles? They didn't work rite. So, the same applies here. If you take the AK74 type rifle that shoots the smaller 5.45x39 round and configure it to shoot the much larger 7.62x39 round you just make the rifle less stable and more likely to fail. In my eyes.The barrles are just to thin on the Arsenal rifles.
MrAk47master 1 year ago
i cant understand why arsenal uses ak74 style parts on all their ak47s, like the way they put ak74 gas blocks on ak47s. it must save them money or something.
willacebey56x 9 months ago
@cazybeast2 The Bulgarian AKs are very nice. Not the arsenal one though. Thanks.
MrAk47master 8 months ago
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A mil spec Russian AK 200 series is not acceptable to MRAKMASTER because the handguard and bolts will not interchange with his Yugo, SAR, or Wasr.
Something might just start to melt if you rapid fire hundreds of rounds through one of these.
But, wood handguards catching on fire from hundreds of rounds is acceptable go figure.
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Man if Big Sal where still here he would be having a heart attack right now!!!
I am not a big Arsenal fan either, the whole Harry Reid thing turned me off. But this guy making these videos seems like a bit of a douche bag as well.
What happen to sal?
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I agree to both points. I have put a aluminum rail on mine and love it.. i bought a firefield reflex sight and people were dogging it, but i tell you what i sighted it in today and i ABSOLUTLY LOVE IT!!! its so accurate!! sorry this is off topic but im excited..lol
By the way, that guy has some kind of bone to pick with Arsenal and Nutnfancy. He has an agenda of some kind.
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this guy tortures this saiga... that do you guys think about this?? i know he uses the word melted over 20 times....
2 points that he does not understand.
1. Saigas/SGL are 100 series parts not typical 1960s AKM parts. Certain parts like the bolts will obviously not interchange.
He does not seem to understand that the design has evolved to make it better in certain ways that Russian engineers worked on.
This does not make it inferior but upgraded whether he wants to accept this or not.
2. Wood and typical plastics used for mil spec handguards both will not survive over 400 degrees F.
Keeping the handguard from directly touching the barrel is a very good thing.
If you get hot enough to melt a mil spec plastic handguard, a wood one will also become damaged.
Wood handguards will not offer and extra durability. Aluminum would be the more durable choice for high heat handguard options.
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I do enjoy your testing OP, but I will tell you this, try brake cleaner on your car and see how it holds up! I only say that because I use it on a daily basis. Not much will stand up to it. Even less will stand up to it after repeated use!
Yes, most any carbon based coating will not hold out very well against brake parts cleaner.
I really like plating for better solvent resistance.
My choice would be black chrome.
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Response to questions in previous post ....
There are no notches for handguard retainer to track through on barrel.
The handguard retainer does have folded edges.
The lower handguard does not have heat shield slots.
Any ideas on how to tighten handguard retainer other than welding up slot on barrel and re-cut it?
Thanks.
It is new so I would send it back and get a replacement. Call them Monday.
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What does it take to melt a factory handguard? Talk of melting factory handguards has me worried. After slow firing just 40 rounds, I can barely touch the barrel without burning myself, but the handguard itself felt fine even at 100 rounds. I'm wondering what the threshold is?
Over 400 degrees F.
7.62x39 vs 5.45x39?
in Saiga 7.62 X 39
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I have not had any ammo problems with the mil classic I bought in the past, but I really want to see laquered cases, sealed primers, and sealed case necks.
I noticed that on the Golden Tiger Ammo website
http://www.goldentigerammo.com/
they show a 7.62x39 hollowpoint version which I have not ever seen before.
124 grains like the 8M3 and a massive air pocket like the 8m3. Is it 8m3? Not sure but I wish they would import that version.
They also show a 5.45x39 58 gr hollow point product.
Both examples are laquer coated and sealed.