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If you look on the right side of the bottom of the receiver, next to the trigger, you should see a small tab protruding from the receiver. That's the BHO.
Don't see much need for a brass catcher...
As far as converting them, the triggers are horrible on a stock S-12, plus they're just plain butt ugly. To be honest though I converted mine because it just plain pisses me of that it was neutered in the first place.
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I did this just the other day. No mods needed. I was using e-clips. I think I just put the trigger in after the safety lever was in place.
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I'm in the FWB/Pensacola area. I can help with a basic conversion, getting the trigger moved, pistol grip installed, etc. Can't help with rewelding holes or refinishing though.
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The handguards dropped right in, a pleasant change as I normally have to do a lot of fitting on any other AK I've had. In fact all Dinzag's parts worked much easier than I'd anticipated. No offense to him, just a comment about my luck.
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Ever since I first spotted a Saiga-410 on the shelf at a local shop I knew I had to have one of these shotguns. Trying to keep my ammo variety to a minimum I grabbed a Saiga-12 off Gunbroker, and once I had it in hand I set about converting it back to its intended glory.
I started off intending to do it all myself. I removed the sporter trigger guard, cut the new hole for the pistol grip, etc. I'd intended to have a welder at work weld up the extra holes.
I wanted the original AK style front and rear sight bases and to be able to use standard AK furniture. The best option I could find was Dinzag's conversion sets. http://www.dinzagarms.com/ While I was at it I ordered his modified Tapco FCG and his handguard sets, already modified to fit the 12 gauge barrel.
To use Dinzag's press-on RSB you have to send in your gas tube. I had a hell of a time getting the gas block off! I tried wooden blocks and a hammer, brass punches, all kinds of wild ideas. I finally ended up making a contraption using two bolts and a long nut which applied pressure to both the GB and the receiver, pushing it off.
Unfortunately my plans fell through using a local welder. I have an AKS-74 being built by Ken Kubin at Global Military Gunsmithing http://www.globalmilitarygunsmithing.com/ , and he said he could do the rewelding for me. He also did any needed refinishing and was kind enough to press the gas block back on for me, locking Dinzag's RSB in place for me.
Once Ken was finished performing his magic I got it back in hand and set out to finish it all up. The plum furniture set, made by K-Var but slightly modified internally by Dinzag, dropped right in. No issues. The FCG took a little bit of fumbling due to the Bolt Hold Open (BHO), an item I wasn't used to, but I finally got it in place.
I mounted the Polychoke II next. It went on easily, but I can't adjust it at all. I read it takes shooting it, heating it up in the process, to get it to move. I do think I'll Locktite it in place before I do so.
The last bit was placement of the rear sight leaf, supplied with Dinzag's kit. Unfortunately I'd sent the original off to be refinished, but USPS now discards anything in an envelope other than a letter, so I lost a couple of costly sight leafs. I replaced it with a Soviet leaf I had, but I need to have it refinished. Once I do that and touch up a couple of dings I've put into it during the conversion I'll be done.
Future upgrades will probably include the hand adjustable gas setting knob and maybe some form of tritium sights.
Thank you Ken Kubin, Dinzag and anyone else who offered advice on making this happen. I couldn;t have done it without you guys! Can't wait to get it out and shoot it!
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I've fired the 7.62 version and they're junk. The trigger works via a cable or a rod, I forget which. Real gritty even when clean. There are far better ways to customize your Siaga shotgun.
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Jimmy's Pawn in Ft Walton Beach FL had a new Saiga-12 on the shelf, in case anyone in the area is looking for one. Think it was about $550.
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I thought I read here on the forum Sabots were a no-go with the Saiga-12?
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Grab the mags. Stocks will be easier to find and for longer.
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What slugs do you guys recommend for the Saiga-12? No specific need for them, just "what if" ammo. I have a plychoke fitted.
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The biggest problem - as far as I can see it - with creating a double stack saiga 12 mag would not be the rimmed cartridge, but rather the fact that the guns are made for single stack mags, so a double stack mag might simply require more space than will fit in the gun. I can't visualize any design that would fit in the magwells, be double stacked, and keep the top round centered.
There are quad stack mags made for the AK-74M, so I'd say it's not entirely impossible to make it happen. When it comes to things like this though, you have to imagine the Kalashnikov team has already tried it, and had it worked, we would have seen them on the market, at least in Europe and in arms expos.
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Once the ports are taken care of, will there be any problem rethreading the barrel? Would the barrel be tapered, causing problems with threading?
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It's a 24 inch I believe. I got it shortly before I deployed. If I do cut it down, I'd like to cut it down to 19". I've been told there's some taper to the barrel.
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I've got a long barreled Saiga-12 I'd kinda like to cut down and fit with a Polychoke. With the barrel being tapered, what's involved in cutting the barrel and getting it down to the right diameter for threading? I'd like to be able to do this myself, so removing the barrel isn't an option.
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How hard is it to mount a Poly Choke after cutting down a barrel? I know the barrel diameter will be off because of the taper. Is this even feasible for the average AK smith or is it a total pain in the ass?
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Don't fuck with safety, especially your eyes. Get a new mag. Superglue isn't that strong and it'll happen again if you try such a repair.
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Well, I finally got the frakker off! That was a bitch!
I've been fighting the flu for a couple of days now, with this project running through my head. It's in every dream I have in my flu/flu drug induced state. Came up with a few idea I never got around to trying, but I finally went with something similar to what BS1066 did on his post Pressing barrel .
Mine was a bit simpler due to necessity. I'd planned to use a metal saw at work to build the yoke, but someone busted the blade. I wasn't sure how I was going to build the block he put under the gas block until I found a bin of steel keyways at the local Ace Hardware. I grabbed one I thought would be the right size and the 5mm bolt and off I went.
Not having a mill, I used a hacksaw and a file to create the channel in the keyway. Next came the hole for the 5mm bolt. Only problem was I'd bought too short a keyway, so the hole he used for a drill bit to take pressure off that 5mm bolt was out. Instead of the yoke, I used an aluminum plate up against the front of the receiver. I used the same size bolts and adapter in the same way.
I taped everything up where I might get tool to gun contact, then went to work. After some serious torque nothing moved. I finally ended up heating up the gas block while it was under torque and it moved a bit. Eventually I heard a "pop" akin to pressing the barrel out of a normal AK. A couple of more pops and I could get the gas tube out!
Next step will be to decide if I want to cut this barrel down, and if so, I'll have to press the block off further and drill the proper hole, if I can find a bit that small!
Anyway, thanks for the advice on this!
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I would think it would be entirely possible, but that the mechanism would wear out pretty quick
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Sorry, it says box of 12, if i'm reading that right... Hopefully these will do the job. I debated back and forth between the 1/2 and 3/4.
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Dinzag just sent me some pics. There's not nearly as much exposed metal on mine as there is in the one pictured. It definitly makes it harded, but I'm sure it can still be done.
I finally went through Amazon and found a box of six 1/2" brass punches for like $8.
On a side note, what's the hole on the left side of the gas block for? Never noticed that on anyone else's photos, but maybe I haven't looked that hard.
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Exactly what part of the gun are you whacking with the hammer or punch? Is it going to screw anything up hitting what would be the rear sight base with say a rubber or rawhide mallet? Or are you hitting the gas block itself? Nobody in town has brass punches and they look at me like I'm asking for a flux capacitor.
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Pins came out quite easily using a nail and a hammer. Tried liquid wrench. Tried heat. No joy so far.
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This gas block is kicking my ass. When you guys use the big hammer method, where exactly are you hitting it? Between the barrel and the gas tube?
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Cool. Thanks!
Make your voice heard or loose your freedom
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When gun control took a turn for the worst back in the 1990's all I did was follow the latest events and hope for the best. Enough of us did the same thing to get us the Brady Bill and the "Assault Weapons" ban.
Today, out on the PT pad, I asked my teammates if they have ever contacted their elected officials to convey their desires on the subject of gun control. None had, and I find this alarming considering all these guys talk about is guns and freedom.
If you have the time to read about gun legislation, you have the time to contact your elected officials. There are some in office you'll never sway, we know that. But, there are some out there riding the fence. What they need, and what we need to provide, is our feedback. Tell them you believe gun control is in fact an infringement on our unalienable rights.
The Congress.org website makes this SO easy. http://www.congress.org
Type in your zip code and it'll pull up your elected officials. Have a state issue you want to advise them on? Click "state". Federal? Click "federal".
On the next page you can choose who to contact, and you have options on sending an e-mail, or for a couple of bucks, you can even send a paper letter.
You don't have to type a book to be effective. The website even has a "meter" to tell you if your letter is too long to be effective. Fill in your personal information and save it for future use. Hit "send message" and it's done.
Guys, don't make the same mistake we did in the '90s. Write these people and be heard. Once you set this up it'll take literally a minute of your life to address any new legislation posted here or elsewhere. If we loose this time, we loose big.