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I always thought bump stocks were silly but some had fun wasting all that ammo.

I also feel it is one persons business how they are to waste that ammo as log as it stays safe.

But now the president has taken steps to spoil that fun.

 

President Donald Trump announced Tuesday that he has recommended that "bump stocks" — devices that let semi-automatic weapons fire hundreds of rounds per minute — be banned.

 

Trump signed a memorandum recommending that Attorney General Jeff Sessions propose regulations that would declare that bump stocks are illegal because they effectively turn legal semi-automatic weapons into outlawed machine guns.

 

Stephen Paddock, the gunman who killed 58 people and wounded hundreds of others in Las Vegas in October had at least 12 rifles fitted with bump stocks, authorities have said.

 

Trump's announcement came six days after a gunman killed 17 people, 14 of them students, at a high school in Parkland, Florida, while armed with an AR-15 assault rifle.

 

"We cannot merely take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. We must actually make a difference," Trump said at a White House event honoring first responders.

 

"After the deadly shooting in Las Vegas, I directed [sessions] to clarify whether certain bump stock devices like the one used in Las Vegas are illegal under current law," Trump said.

 

"That process began in December, and just a few moments ago I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump said.

 

"I expect that these critical regulations will be finalized, Jeff, very soon."

 

The proposed regulators would first have to be published in the Federal Register and be subject to public comment before they could be adopted.

 

Semi-automatic weapons require a shooter to pull the trigger each time to fire a single round.

 

But when those weapons are outfitted with a bump stock, the gun's recoil energy is used to "bump" the trigger into the shooter's finger, making it fire much faster.

 

That makes the weapon more akin to machine guns, which are largely banned in the United States.

 

Read Trump's memo:

 

THE WHITE HOUSE

 

Office of the Press Secretary

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

February 20, 2018

 

February 20, 2018

 

MEMORANDUM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

 

SUBJECT: Application of the Definition of Machinegun to "Bump Fire" Stocks and Other Similar Devices

 

After the deadly mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 1, 2017, I asked my Administration to fully review how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives regulates bump fire stocks and similar devices.

 

Although the Obama Administration repeatedly concluded that particular bump stock type devices were lawful to purchase and possess, I sought further clarification of the law restricting fully automatic machineguns.

 

Accordingly, following established legal protocols, the Department of Justice started the process of promulgating a Federal regulation interpreting the definition of "machinegun" under Federal law to clarify whether certain bump stock type devices should be illegal. The Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking was published in the "Federal Register" on December 26, 2017. Public comment concluded on January 25, 2018, with the Department of Justice receiving over 100,000 comments.

 

Today, I am directing the Department of Justice to dedicate all available resources to complete the review of the comments received, and, as expeditiously as possible, to propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.

 

Although I desire swift and decisive action, I remain committed to the rule of law and to the procedures the law prescribes. Doing this the right way will ensure that the resulting regulation is workable and effective and leaves no loopholes for criminals to exploit. I would ask that you keep me regularly apprised of your progress.

 

You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the "Federal Register".

 

DONALD J. TRUMP

 

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I guess people do not realize that an AR with a cheap scope would have kill more people. With that said banning anything to make rifles more accurate could generate a similar letter from a President who is not a conservative in all things.

Not only that, the Las Vegas shooter could have done it this way cheaper with 10 round mags.

I hope this is just for PR.

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Guys. Bump fire is an aspect of semi automatic firearms that is inherent. The only way to eliminate it is absurdly high trigger weights proportional to recoil/ long trigger travel, or a deliberate del

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Well it is an order to complete a review of the process to ban them and to allow public comments on it... Not exactly a ban.

 

I think its a big fart in the wind..

 

It could also result in opening the NFA registry to add them and other NFA items..

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I have never thought of a bump stock as a safe or serious accessory. Go ahead and ban them.  The obvious meaning of the 2nd Amm. is to allow Citizens to arm themselves the SAME as the Government. Bump stocks have no value for self defense. An honest reading of the 2nd would make FA legal, as long as Military and Police use them, so go ahead and ban bump stocks. Just allow us to arm ourselves the way the Founding Fathers INTENDED !!!

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OK, so this means that they're trying to ban rubber bands and bungee cords!

 

Yeah, rubber bands work for it...but not very well.  A 3 round burst was the best I could manage with a S12 and the hair band off my ponytail.

 

Then we could piss off the AFT even more by calling them the BATFE&RB.

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I couldn't care less about bump stocks or trigger activators or any other stupid crap to have (pretend machine guns)

 

If you want a class three firearm, buy one, cant afford one?....well thats just tough....ALL of us have to live within our budgets .

I would like a 2018 Corvette....but alas...not in the budget.

 

We need to protect the amendment, not the doo dahs.

 

BH 

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The liberals and the corrupt media have raised up a new crop of "useful idiots" to attack the constitution.

 As it was during the Vietnam war, the propaganda is spewed from the mouths of Students.

We still suffer the fruits of That generation of anti American communists, now we have a new one.

 

Students backed by radicals were able to overthrow the government in Iran.

We shouldn't underestimate students backed by radicals here.

 

BH 

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I couldn't care less about bump stocks or trigger activators or any other stupid crap to have (pretend machine guns)

 

If you want a class three firearm, buy one, cant afford one?....well thats just tough....ALL of us have to live within our budgets .

I would like a 2018 Corvette....but alas...not in the budget.

 

We need to protect the amendment, not the doo dahs.

 

BH 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

"We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." – Benjamin Franklin

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The liberals and the corrupt media have raised up a new crop of "useful idiots" to attack the constitution.

 As it was during the Vietnam war, the propaganda is spewed from the mouths of Students.

We still suffer the fruits of That generation of anti American communists, now we have a new one.

 

Students backed by radicals were able to overthrow the government in Iran.

We shouldn't underestimate students backed by radicals here.

 

BH

 

The students for the most part will fade away when it starts turning into work and commitment.

Just like all the other times. I read that many where told by their teacher to go to these protests.

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Guys. Bump fire is an aspect of semi automatic firearms that is inherent. The only way to eliminate it is absurdly high trigger weights proportional to recoil/ long trigger travel, or a deliberate delaying mechanism ala' a clock's escapement. This absolutely opens the door to regulatory requirements between those relationships.

 

The fact is that they would have made them illegal if the current statute authorized that, and it doesn't, so they can't. Our president and the NRA encouraged a regulatory agency to regulate outside the bounds of its authorizing statute. There is no honest way that you can spin that as a good thing for protecting the second Amendment. It isn't even remotely a step in the right direction. It's a step towards even the republican/whatever trump is government deciding to act outside the law in favor of following trends.

 

The fact that regulatory agencies themselves are a blatant violation of the whole structure of the constitution is another issue.

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So now they are talking about raising the age to by a 'AR' type of rifle to 21.  OK, you anti-2nd amendment pieces of shit.  So be it.  Then the age to join the military should be raised to 21 as well, since apparently at ages 18-20 you are either too stupid or to immature to own a 'AR' type of rifle. 

 

So be it.  Lets see what happens to our military then. 

 

Fucking pukes.

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So now they are talking about raising the age to by a 'AR' type of rifle to 21.  OK, you anti-2nd amendment pieces of shit.

 

Yeah, a friend of mine is 20 yrs. old, has served in the military and is well-trained on using an M4 Carbine, grenade launcher, and a "Ma Deuce" .50 BMG machine gun.

But he's not allowed to sell guns at a gun store because he's not over 21... ?  :wacko:

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I couldn't care less about bump stocks or trigger activators or any other stupid crap to have (pretend machine guns)

 

If you want a class three firearm, buy one, cant afford one?....well thats just tough....ALL of us have to live within our budgets .

I would like a 2018 Corvette....but alas...not in the budget.

 

We need to protect the amendment, not the doo dahs.

 

BH

Ahh you're one of those. Duly noted.

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By ''one of those''  you mean someone who is a lot more interested in maintaining my right to own semi auto firearms to include EVERYTHING we on this forum we enjoy possessing and shooting.

 

Instead of whining about an accessory that realistically subverts NFA restrictions.

 

I would love some full auto stuff along with a ton of other things I cant afford, should I whine about that?

 

Which point makes me "one of those" what exactly IS "one of those"?

 

I want to fight the battles that HAVE to be won!

Its hard enough to get the other side just to recognize that we have reasons, needs and legitimate uses for our ARs and AKs.

The bumpstock crap is indefensible.....at  least to the leftists and they can tar us all with it.

 

BH  

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LaPierre, Cox, and Trump are snakes and I hope they all burn for this.

You 1st. "Let those without sin cast the 1st stone"

I'd think YOU of all people would remember THAT one!

 

 

I don't remember ever advertising myself as being all in on the 2nd amendment then immediately calling for bans and restrictions the moment the winds slightly out of my favor. If there is one thing that should be obvious about me it's that I don't mince words, muddy my beliefs, or play the winds in order to be popular. Cox and LaPierre act like they are staunchly pro gun rights but sell us out over and over and over again. Trump is a typical New Yorker, he has his gun because he could pay the cops to give him a permit. The rest of us plebs can just fend for ourselves in his mind.

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LaPierre, Cox, and Trump are snakes and I hope they all burn for this.

You 1st. "Let those without sin cast the 1st stone"

I'd think YOU of all people would remember THAT one!

 

 

I don't remember ever advertising myself as being all in on the 2nd amendment then immediately calling for bans and restrictions the moment the winds slightly out of my favor. If there is one thing that should be obvious about me it's that I don't mince words, muddy my beliefs, or play the winds in order to be popular. Cox and LaPierre act like they are staunchly pro gun rights but sell us out over and over and over again. Trump is a typical New Yorker, he has his gun because he could pay the cops to give him a permit. The rest of us plebs can just fend for ourselves in his mind.

 

I can't read his mind. I can just stand up for my God-given Rights. 

Nice dodge on the bible quote.

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People are free to condemn me based on any hypocritical statements or actions of mine, I'm not claiming to be a perfect person. You're saying you've never judged someone's actions or made a single critical statement about anyone in your whole life? I'd be quite surprised if I didn't find you having choice words for Trump's predecessor on this very site. 

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By ''one of those'' you mean someone who is a lot more interested in maintaining my right to own semi auto firearms to include EVERYTHING we on this forum we enjoy possessing and shooting.

 

Instead of whining about an accessory that realistically subverts NFA restrictions.

 

I would love some full auto stuff along with a ton of other things I cant afford, should I whine about that?

 

Which point makes me "one of those" what exactly IS "one of those"?

 

I want to fight the battles that HAVE to be won!

Its hard enough to get the other side just to recognize that we have reasons, needs and legitimate uses for our ARs and AKs.

The bumpstock crap is indefensible.....at least to the leftists and they can tar us all with it.

 

BH

No compromises. The battles that have to be won, are all of them. The bump stock did not kill any people. The bump stock is not a machine gun.

 

"One of those", is simply someone willing to cave and give in by forfeiting something other people might really like and be interested in. All because you're scared. "As long as I get to keep my gun, take whatever else you want, no big deal, it's a novelty item anyway." EDIT; Basically the definition of a FUDD

 

Disclaimer, I don't own one and don't really see the reason in one, plus they are just butt ugly. However I would never sacrifice or compromise by dancing with the devil on any firearms issue. They will never quit. It's always take take take. Well, what have they given?

Patriot nailed it with the quotes in one his posts above.

 

 

 

I often wonder how people stand up, without a back bone.

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People are free to condemn me based on any hypocritical statements or actions of mine, I'm not claiming to be a perfect person. You're saying you've never judged someone's actions or made a single critical statement about anyone in your whole life? I'd be quite surprised if I didn't find you having choice words for Trump's predecessor on this very site. 

My words are very clear and say no more than what is written. I tire of this inane babble.

 

We now return to the subject of the thread rather than the character of the posters.

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Personally, I'm surprised we still even have a Second Amendment in this country factoring in some of the left-leaning NJ f**ktards I've had the displeasure of running into. :angry:

 

This is like Rome, and the leftist retards are the ones playing the fiddle. :rolleyes:

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I (personally) don't envy the position Trump finds himself in now. :wacko:

 

I mean, what's he gonna do?  Tell 1/2 of the country demanding some form of action to "f**k off?" :unsure:

 

This isn't Thermopylae circa 480 B.C. and he ain't King Leonidas.  Us gun zealots will probably all be forced to take a bite out of the big gun-haters shite sandwich. ohmy.png

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I (personally) don't envy the position Trump finds himself in now. wacko.png

 

I mean, what's he gonna do?  Tell 1/2 of the country demanding some form of action to "f**k off?" unsure.png

 

This isn't Thermopylae circa 480 B.C. and he ain't King Leonidas.  Us gun zealots will probably all be forced to take a bite out of the big gun-haters shite sandwich. ohmy.png

I just want it to be the smallest bite possible.

 

BH

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