JDeko 792 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Completely LOST in the discussion The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is NOT a Constitutionally granted right The right to keep and bear arms is a GOD GIVEN right. What 'weapons' did the American own in 1776? - THE SAME WEAPONS AS THEN USED BY THE BRITISH ARMY! Including small arms designed for rapid fire (Brown Bess musket) and heavy CREW served weapons (cannon and even privateers -privately owned warships). Bump stocks, not being a 'weapon' are not protected from Government ban -if they are found to not be useful or safe. However, full auto IS a God given right! With all due respect, and I mean this more as just trying to expand you thought processes and not a refutation of your beliefs, if you start deciding which firearm components are and are not inherent rights that a human assumes upon birth that is getting down a slippery slope. If you want to rely on a bump-fire stocked AK to defend your life, while that is in my opinion a bad idea, it is no less a JUST idea than my use of my Saiga, my Italian Bren Ten clone, or my PTR91 I plan to put a binary trigger in [if I ever have 700+ dollars and no whole guns I'd rather buy with it]. It's no less just than if someone is relying on a Keltec or Hi-Point to defend their life because that is all they can afford, or a Calico because their big brother passed it down to them when they moved out for college. It's either an absolute right or we start selling off pieces until we're left with nothing but muzzleloaders to defend our houses with. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Listen to JDeko. ANY infringement is NOT to be tolerated. A stock, handguard, trigger, sear, spring, barrel, upper receiver, sight, sling, or round of ammunition isn't a "weapon" either. NO INFRINGEMENTS WHATSOEVER. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Listen to JDeko. ANY infringement is NOT to be tolerated. A stock, handguard, trigger, sear, spring, barrel, upper receiver, sight, sling, or round of ammunition isn't a "weapon" either. NO INFRINGEMENTS WHATSOEVER. I whole heartedly agree, I've had enough with the fudds. Its not your gun now, just wait, it will be soon. It's not my place to say yes or no, it's my place to determine if it's for me or not. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hudson Hornet 41 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 That is just a start. They will be going after ALL our semi auto rifles. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 That is just a start. They will be going after ALL our semi auto rifles firearms. Fixed it for you! Death by a thousand cuts if we relax our vigilance even a little bit. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Some of this discussion has caused me to evaluate the what and why of some of the positions I have held. Do I think it is realistic that we might regain 'not infringed' excercise of The Second Amendment? Not in my lifetime without an intense and bloody fight for it against fellow citizens. Would I enjoy that 'not infringed' status? Well, duh! I had previously thought that I might trade bumpstocks for a temporary opening of the machine gun registry, so I could go absolutely ape cranking out form 1 for MG on everything I have that it is possible to convert to MG, but we gain nothing long term with that except some fun toys to play with while I am still in this stage of existence. If I actually have to fight for anything after this life I am sure God will have some stuff for me to use that rivals anything we have here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) That is just a start. They will be going after ALL our semi auto rifles firearms. Fixed it for you! Death by a thousand cuts if we relax our vigilance even a little bit. Well then, you better tell the approximately 320 million gun owners in the US to get off their collective asses and start holding their elected representatives responsible for the gradual loss of their gun rights. At least put down the television remote and Subway tuna sub for a few minutes and write them a short letter (or post-it note even) saying "no more." That's a big f**king joke in front of you right there. Approx. 320 million gun owners in this country right now, and only 5 million of them are somewhat politically active. I bet if they had Hooter girls giving out free buffalo shrimp at most pro-gun rallies some might show up.... Edited February 26, 2018 by Gaddis 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hudson Hornet 41 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Boycotts seem to work for the left as you see businesses' joining the anti gun and NRA push. Well, we have the numbers to boycott too, just need some more people with guts!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 A lot of those gun owners are also on welfare, they wont mind breaking a few laws to keep their guns, but will vote DEM to keep the checks coming. BH 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) Edited February 26, 2018 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mixednuttz 123 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 It's either an absolute right or we start selling off pieces until we're left with nothing but muzzleloaders to defend our houses with. That's not entirely accurate. If we don't start standing up for our rights, all of them including the ones that "I don't care about that-bumpstocks are stupid" (which I think they are), we won't even be allowed to have muzzleloaders. Hell, think they'd stop there? Eventually you wouldn't be allowed to have bows, crossbows, even something as silly as swords or sharpened sticks. This has little to do with "gun" control and everything to do with control. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 883 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 If I actually have to fight for anything after this life I am sure God will have some stuff for me to use that rivals anything we have here. HIS WORD!!! It's sharper than any two edged sword! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 If I actually have to fight for anything after this life I am sure God will have some stuff for me to use that rivals anything we have here. HIS WORD!!! It's sharper than any two edged sword! As awesome as it would be to vaporize a burglar by shouting scripture at him I wouldn't base my home-defense strategy around that. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 I do not think you understand what Nemo means . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 Probably not, but it was an interesting mental image. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 Mocking God always comes from people who really do not under stand him. I pray for Gods guidance when I carry my gun. I pray that if I need to use it that it be done to stop the evil . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 I do not see where a bump stock is a 'weapon' by ANY definition. It is a crappy device to work around the ILLEGAL ban on drilling that "Third hole". Full auto IS a USEFUL and Constitutionally protected right Bumpstock - worthless for self defense. Crappy toy to make you think you have something. FA - The real deal, what we SHOULD be fighting for! What we are being DEPRIVED of, what is being Infringed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Mocking God always comes from people who really do not under stand him. I pray for Gods guidance when I carry my gun. I pray that if I need to use it that it be done to stop the evil . I wasn't mocking God, if that was what you were implying. I think It'd be awesome to be able to summon a bear to maul anyone who shit-talks me like Elisha did but that is not very likely. Realistically your chances of God smiting your adversary are not very high is what I'm getting at. Though I've sometimes wished it were an ability I were capable of employing in all honesty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Christ is alive in the world through His people the body of whom He is at the head. Christ does his work through his body on this earth to do his will not ours. Praying for a bear to maul someone somehow does not seem to be his will but yours. We all mock God. The more we come to know him the more we understand his will and pray for it to be done. The more we under stand his will the less we mock him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 There are gods I absolutely will mock, creations of men to their evil bidding across long centuries to lead us to this catastrophe. One true god there is and we are living in a time of his judgement to our sorrow I fear, even his children as few as there really may be will know much of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 883 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Jesus drives a D infinity bulldozer. Your faith is the key to start that bulldozer. And when Jesus is joyriding his dozer, you can sit back and relax. It only takes a mustard seed of faith to move a mountain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Why the fuc is this turning in to a topic about god? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Because we are way past the point of bitching doing any damn good about the problem at hand and have decided something else is at work here. Therefore relevant? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Machinist 150 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Trump just announced live he will sign an executive order outlawing bump stocks. He said he has the attorneys write the order as he speaks... 3:13 PM EST. Has Fienstein sitting at his right hand giving him direction.... Glad he announced yesterday he is running for re-election... Edited February 28, 2018 by Machinist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Feinstein will write something ridiculous again. Write and bitch folks.... The camel's nose.... SHALL NOT be infringed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yeap...and hes going to try to raise the age to 21. He can go straight to hell if he does. And...he is getting ready to go against the NRA. Good luck with that...true colors coming out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yeap...and hes going to try to raise the age to 21. He can go straight to hell if he does. And...he is getting ready to go against the NRA. Good luck with that...true colors coming out... The NRA started this with the two stooges telling the BATFE to ban bump-stocks after Vegas. They also kept sucking Trump off every chance they got even though Trump did nothing on gun rights. If my Civil Rights weren't in dire jeopardy I'd be enjoying LaPierre getting spurned by the love of his life on national television. Sadly he is actually the lesser of two evils at this point, which is terrifying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yeap...and hes going to try to raise the age to 21. He can go straight to hell if he does. And...he is getting ready to go against the NRA. Good luck with that...true colors coming out... The NRA started this with the two stooges telling the BATFE to ban bump-stocks after Vegas. They also kept sucking Trump off every chance they got even though Trump did nothing on gun rights. If my Civil Rights weren't in dire jeopardy I'd be enjoying LaPierre getting spurned by the love of his life on national television. Sadly he is actually the lesser of two evils at this point, which is terrifying. Cry me a fucking river. You're too emotional. Get a grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 I understand that private companies should be allowed to run their businesses as they see fit (mostly), but banning LEGAL gun sales to persons under the age of 21 sounds to me like a Federal Offense and Age Discrimination. I'm kind of hoping for the first federal lawsuit to be filed over this. What's next... raise the Selective Service age to 21? HA, that ain't gonna happen. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Called all my Reps, got a really bitchy response from a soyboi at John Conyers' office, just what I'd expect from someone who'd serve a serial abuser of staff members. Though since Conyers wasn't trying to show him his wrinkly old tootsie roll I guess it's all good? Or maybe that's why he was so snippy: he wanted some of that fossilized dark meat... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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