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What was the consensus on the Lynx? I know the Catamount had problems, but I've been seeing the Lynx going for a very cheap price lately. True s-12 Clone? Just as good?

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No clue, but I highly doubt the metallurgy is just as good. Some of the deviations from the design are better on the Chinese clones, however, but that isn't worth much. 

 

ETA: They are apparently doing things differently than Catamount, DDI, etc. Mike Davidson says they are actually good and his standards are not low. I trust it coming from him. Try one, let us know how it is.

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So far I’m really liking the Lynx.  SDS is insisting on quality.  Hammer forged bolts and every one is x-rayed for flaws.  

In my opinion they are better made than the Saiga-12.  Don’t let the $500 price tag scare you away.  It is an absolute steal at that price!!!!  

They do have a factory buffer which I think should be removed.  Those were almost always trouble in a Saiga-12.  The gas system could have a better plug and piston but the plug is definitely better than the factory Saiga plug.  

Some seem to have a break in period for low power ammo.  They seem to be better out of the box than the later Saigas though.  

I have been trying to give SDS a few pointers on how to make them all run right out of the box.  Wouldn’t really add anything to their production costs.  They seem receptive so far and I hope they make the changes.  They truly have a chance to squash the Saiga stigma and I hope they take it.  As popular as the Saiga-12 once was it never reached a fraction of it’s potential over the flaws and stigma to follow.  I told SDS all this and that if they collaborated with a couple respected Saiga gurus on improvements and screamed it from the roof tops that it was just another cheap copy of an already troubled platform that they could turn the tables.  

As far as it being a Chinese made gun...  China is completely capable of building good stuff.  They build what you ask them to build.  If you ask them to build you a POS named the Catamount Fury they will.  If you ask them build you quality, like the Lynx, they will...  Think Norinco and PolyTech...  From my talks with SDS I trust they want quality and demand it.  One of their guys is constantly going over to China to check on things.  SDS immediately put me in touch with their top US engineer and top Chinese factory engineer.  One of the major owners of SDS even came and spent a few hours at my house!  They have a lot on their plate with other projects but I’m trying to stay on them about the Lynx improvements.  I told them how they could make the gas plug that I wished I could have made for the Saiga-12.  The V-Plug is by far the best there is and all the copies missed why I did what I did and changed stuff.  Even then the V-Plug design was limited to host weapon.  They Lynx can change that.  It can be a super clean system that doesn’t need the gas block and components cleaned every 500 to 1000 rounds.  Just a bunch of stuff and a ton of potential!

On a side note I tried to talk to K-USA about their gun but they just weren’t interested in my ideas.  It’s not like I was trying to charge them or anything.  Free advice and free designs.  Oh well, that’s on K-USA!

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Mike, if it was coming from anyone else I would not trust it. After having first hand experience with the Cat, I was most definitely not going to bother with anything Chinese that didn't have Norinco or Polytech rollmarked on it somewhere, but you just changed that. As far as K USA brushing you off when you are trying to help them at no charge, whatever. ALG did the same thing to me when I offered to give them a perfected AKT to copy and then they put forth effort to just offer something that fits, nevermind the rest of the FCG working against reliability, lol. They obviously do not feel the shotguns deserve the same attention to detail that the ARs and AK rifles get. Onward, I'd like to see K USA succeed, but if they don't watch out they will fall behind. To be bested by a Chinese shotgun would really be a kick in the nards. I don't care who rises to the top, just as long as someone does. I'd like to keep beating AK based shotguns until I can't see well enough to not smash my hands and until those hands shake too bad to hold a punch, lol.

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i have one inbound for personal use. will let you all know. yes im going to torture it.

 

i will be looking at quite a number of things, and will keep my review from the lamers perspective.

 

im thinking of a lot of things to check on it, but am very excited to get it next week. ive been looking at this gun for a month now.

 

anyone wants me to check something specific, let me know, i will try to accomodate you. i will be checking metallurgy, among other things. trigger, parts fit, finish durability/heat, barrel lining, overall strength, magwell tolerances, etc lots of stuff.... stay tuned....

 

if you have questions put them in here, cause ill be checking next week folks.....

 

im even going to check the gas block and sights.....

 

it should be here next week, we shall see.....

 

BVamp

 

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I've had one in my shop for about a month now and haven't had time to do more than rack the slide a time or two, have a quick peek inside, and put it in the safe. I am retiring from my pool company in a few days and hope to celebrate that with the initial test of the Lynx and a KS-12. Both are brand new and unmodified. My goal is not to compare to the Saiga 12 but to see which of these is the best substitute for people considering an SBS build. All testing will be video documented. The plan is to put 2k rounds through each over a few sessions and see what happens.

Ben, I am glad someone else with a long history of understanding the Saiga 12 is digging in too. Maybe between the two of us we can figure out if the Lynx might be generally decent. I have only heard good about it, so far.

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ok preliminary results.

 

the safety is a piece of sheet metal shit. the stock is too short, it is a warsaw length stock, and not for modern man. the chrome lining is thin, but is there. when i rack the bolt, it actually makes a different noise than the saiga, due to thin and less hard/light metal. but i like it. ill knock it apart this weekend. the mag is off, blah blah. for 400 bucks, im already a fan, even if i put up negatives... i gotta do my thing yet, and knock it apart tomorrow, just give mew a minute.

 

the gas plug is interesting....its a four position with scoops taken out of it, i will have to see at the range whats up with that.

 

i got a low serial #, so take it with salt i guess. so far i think its a good gun....

 

i do like the fit and finish of it. its not as robust as the saiga12, but it fits well. 101_0033.thumb.JPG.e608779c688a7a36c3df72030b6abeef.JPG

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so ive been busy with the house and the hurricane, but i have been messing with this gun every night almost and looking closely at a number of things.

 

the front trunion isnt as beefy, but appears to be of a harder metal than the rear trunion. the rail spot welds are actually nearly perfect.

the importer has explained to me the biggest difference to this thing is the bolt and carrier which are not interchangeable with the saiga12. the bolt carrier and piston is one piece on this. its pretty robust, but i doubt if i mis-set the gas setting with 3" cannon rounds it will hold, like the saiga12 wont as well.

 

i still dont like the safety even though it operates very easily and smoothly. its positive, but really feels as if i can just rip it out.

 

the finish - i have decided to not do solvent or chemical tests to it. it seems to be a light powder coating and is easy to scratch , which i dont care about anyhow.

 

all rivets are well formed and mushroomed.

trigger is smooth, needs very little work to be what i consider to be perfect. bolt to hammer also same. will require very little to make perfect, impressed with how close the fcg is to where i like it.

 

trigger and hammer are in with a shepard's crook and not a cheap spring, i like.

optic rail appears to be in line, but sights appear slightly left. dont know yet until i slug fest it.

 

the recoil spring and piston are different, but appear to be adequate, again, will know more when i run it hard. i have some shells rusting as i write this....."dirty rotten nasty shotshells" post in mind, also frozen winter in mind....

 

i am still very happy with this gun, hopefully when i shoot it it doesnt let my hopes down. i dont think it will/ so far so good.....

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I ran exactly 5 rounds of Federal Multi-purpose in an OEM Saiga-12 mag through both the Lynx and the KS-12. Both were NIB and has nothing at all done to them, not even lube. Both ejected all five. I was kind of in a hurry to test fire some customer stuff and didn't have much time. I am going to see what they will eject with MD-20 drums and then get a couple thousand rounds of the strongest weak load that ejects in both. From there I will video document until I am out of ammo. I am not sure if I have 10 drums left or not, but it would be nice to do 2000 rounds in just 10 video clips.

 

ETA: If they both live through that, I'll test with some stronger loads, working up to some 3" loads. I'd like to get to 2k rounds in each by the end of the testing. If one breaks, I'll keep going with the other until it breaks or reaches 2k rounds.

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