AA-12 recoil type system in a saiga platform?

[saltydecimator 464]

i just wanna get on that low recoil band wagon!  obiously opemn bolt outta the equation, but could a semi auto gun be engineered todo the same type of thing?  3k (or even higher, thought was $4500) for a semi version of the AA is silly.    kinda like how that JTS-12 ak has longer receiver, couldnt the long travel be duplicated?

[gunfun 3,904]

Sergei Orlov once posted a few pics here of A vepr factory team prototype which had an AR buffer tube on it, and a little widget which connects the carrier to the buffer weight, newton's cradle style. IMO it was brilliant.

There's your ticket. Not actually all that hard to make either.

[saltydecimator 464]

https://dpmsystems.com/molot-12-gauge-shotgun

 

that's an aftermarket design, is that what you’re saying?

 

I googled “molot kinetic recoils reduction system” and that’s what it came up with. You posted something along those lines back in 2012

[saltydecimator 464]

https://4range.com/product/dissident-arms-vepr-12-competition-guide-rod-16188.html

 

theres one from dissident but i dont think its for recoil control

im not a pussy, i just feel why have recoil if you dont need to right???

[saltydecimator 464]

also,  wonder what a SOT guy could do with one of these and an open bolt?  i would volunteer my tristar if evl  wanted to play, hahah

[evlblkwpnz 3,367]

I'm not doing anymore Form 2 stuff for a while. I have some things/ideas that I want to move forward and I have to stay focused. I hope to afford my self the ability to play and explore after that

While we are on this subject of design, I have noticed that no one, period, designs a mag fed shotgun with the intention to modify it much later. All of them are a PITA in some way or another. As crude as the Saiga 12 is, it has the most potential. Others are designed as such that they are extremely limited in what one can do with them. AA12 is a prime example. It is what it is and will always be just that.

[saltydecimator 464]

Focus is a hard part for me too. Haha. Wife got me an add book that I still haven’t read. 

 

I feel that sko-12 design is almost good. Except it has the welded barrel lug. Maybe that’s not such a big deal I dunno. And the magwell is too small to run saiga or vepr style mags.

sure is lotta options coming out 

- cr12 from Wilkinson tactical

- ria Turkish improted  vr80

-genesis 12

-tavor 

Life is just so full of trade offs. fallen world etc  

 

 

[evlblkwpnz 3,367]

I saw the VR80. I think they goofed us up by having action parts out on the barrel, hard to tell from pics. If so, no radically short shotguns made on that without major redesign. No one seems to get it...

[gunfun 3,904]

On 2/1/2019 at 6:52 AM, saltydecimator said:

https://dpmsystems.com/molot-12-gauge-shotgun

 

that's an aftermarket design, is that what you’re saying?

 

I googled “molot kinetic recoils reduction system” and that’s what it came up with. You posted something along those lines back in 2012

 

No. this was an AR buffer tube with a delrin piece which the carrier hit, which transmitted the force to the AR buffer. IIRC. They had to clearance the rear trunion and fab something to keep the delrin chunk in place if I am remembering correctly.

 

[gunfun 3,904]

 

I think you could lathe turn a plug shaped like two AR buffers back to back, so that it would stay captive, but still reach the back of the carrier. Might have to be thinner on the front to clear the trunion.

[gunfun 3,904]

The one Sergeii had was clearly  a one off shop experiment for the factory team. Their new guns don't have it, so either it didn't work well or it didn't work well enough for them to bother.

Also, around that time Molot was making AR15s for their factory team, as was IZH. I think they realized that it was poor branding,  so they went back. Imagine if the chevy nascar team put a wrap on their cars to make them look like mustangs, or worse actually used a chevy manufactured mustang. Marketing over function. -- we sell AKs, make sure they look like AKs. 

 

[MikeD 520]

The Semi AA-12 won’t have the same recoil control as the open bolt version.  To answer the question if a close bolt semi could have the recoil control the open bolt fullauto does the answer is Yes and even better.  

When I got my semi AA-12 I saw first hand how horrible the recoil is on it in closed bolt.  I came up with a super simple way to cancel the recoil regardless of it is closed bolt or not.  It would even work for an artilary cannon, lol.  I have spoke to the guys that took over the AA-12 about it but no bites.  It’s a shame because it would be super simple to incorporate into the AA-12.   I have told a couple other manufactures about it but no bites.

 

It is super simple and I’d love to see it in use on many platforms some day.  I hope I can get someone on board because I don’t want to take on a new platform myself.  

[evlblkwpnz 3,367]

If I can ever get there I will definitely hear you out.