saltydecimator 482 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Dunno what cost gonna be, but it’s not Chinese and it has SBA-3 on it already! Gross stock adapter, maybe that’s on there for OAL? http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2019/03/14/kalashnikov-usa-komrad/?fbclid=IwAR1q9KhNYhNLWHVZ0I3EPpoj7bGPh6q_ko84HMxT9C1P4bdeYsUOj53nhhk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 … and I'll do AOW on that too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Figured so!! Same price as the Chinese but not, perfect!! im hoping that fugly stock adapter can be swapped out, and that OAL has some wiggle room. Maybe psa/sb tactical triangle arm brace be out soon and we can use that Edited March 19, 2019 by saltydecimator 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Isn't the vertical fore grip a no-no? The angled on a pistol I know is legal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 I'm pretty sure it is good to go on anything at or longer than 26". Even an AR15 pistol can have a vert grip if the overall length is long enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yep. Franklin arms did it first xo-26 or something like that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Something about over 26 not concealable so doesn’t matter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 Seriously scratching my head on why they didn’t rethread the barrel on this gun. But I guess I scratch my head on why they kept the same flawed gas plug when they built the base gun as well... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 🤪 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 If it came with a factory moved gas block and a shorter barrel, I would see the point. It is neat that you can, but I would rather have a good stock than 6" less barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 K-usa say that it will run birdshot, the AWS one says only like 3.25 and up dram? so maybe the pics etc dont account for a moved gasblock? i dont know how much experience these guys really do have with kalashnikov pattern stuff, but surely they been around long enough to know that it needs to be shortened. if its not, i feel its not as good a deal, as anyone can hack on a barrel and bore ports to 1/4" i want actually refinement and good engineering for my premium dollars. if not ill just kitchen-ninja something myself, and be happy with slightly ugly vs overpriced, under-worked. youve mentioned it before, different thread, so whats this about gas pucks @MikeD i dont understand the finer points of it, could you convince one of hte AK aftermarket part shops to bring it to market? we keep saying there is a buncha clones to sell parts to, and market is crap, but clearly the aftermarket guys dont need to sell to the whole world, they good with niche products... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 The K-USA has a gas plug that is the same as the Saiga-12. Only 2 settings. The chamber volume with that plug is really large. It is inefficient for low power ammo and let’s in way too much gas for most high power ammo. It requires a tool to depress the pin to adjust it. It lets a lot of fouling get to the threads easily. I really wish the K-USA and Lynx both would have been stock with a better plug. The V-Plug was kick ass for an adjustable plug. It was the best I could do with the gun I had to work with. Most of the other plugs that changed stuff lost effectiveness for low power ammo because they didn’t really understand what stuff was doing. The Auto Plug was a nice idea but could have been better. They still were somewhat over gases with high power ammo allowing excessive wear. The K-USA and Lynx could make a couple slight changes to the gun and come stock with an adjustable gas plug like I wished I could have made for the Saiga-12. Better yet would be to design a better self regulating plug that required no adjusting and one that didn’t over gas with high power ammo. If they would do this the gun would be much more reliable with low power ammo and stay much cleaner. It wouldn’t have excessive wear with high power ammo. The big thing to is the customer could spend their money on something other than a replacement part and have a worthless part they removed. It could mean an extra mag that they could use or money toward some other accessory. Screw the aftermarket because a better part should come stock on the gun is my feelings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Wow wish I would have seen this before I bought the spets at least these guys would answer the phone or reply to an email Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 When you buy spets? I’m keyed up to sell my clone and maybe get this. Sounds like gas work may be in order buuuuuuut, ya never know. I posted on kusa Facebook, don’t know if they responded )about shortened gas sustem( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 I would be surprised if they entertain that idea. Most of these companies will keep selling it the easiest way as long as it sells. Most will wait to improve things until the item runs out of gas sales-wise before they would even give it a second thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 Now they have a century type under grip buffer adapter on their website. With horrible finger grooves every where.... wonder what focus group said that was the way to go, or were those accessories the cheapest??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) On 3/28/2019 at 9:18 PM, evlblkwpnz said: companies will keep selling I think they just need to start selling anything. Need funds. Been working at stuff awhile with nothing in bank to show for it. And to offset payroll. That’s what the new mossberg ceo is doing? Throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. That’s my feeling anyways, as this stuff feels kinda half baked and under planned? Edited March 30, 2019 by saltydecimator 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 The market being so down should really help bring new items and innovation. The 9mm AK’s from K-USA should be a damn hot seller. Little pricy right now though... Their next step is going to be a AK-103. I think that is a mistake. They should have focused on an AK-107 if they wanted to wow us. I can only yawn at another 103... The shockwave was a huge success. They sold 50,000 or so in the the first 8 months of it’s release. New and cool... They need to get a magfed semi released. Bet they would easily sell 100,000 or more the first year. Hell, maybe that many of a semi magfed shockwave configuration alone... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 1:54 PM, MikeD said: Seriously scratching my head on why they didn’t rethread the barrel on this gun. But I guess I scratch my head on why they kept the same flawed gas plug when they built the base gun as well... They knew people would be sending them to me for radically short AOW builds, so the barrel was getting chopped and threaded anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 19 hours ago, MikeD said: The market being so down should really help bring new items and innovation. The 9mm AK’s from K-USA should be a damn hot seller. Little pricy right now though... Their next step is going to be a AK-103. I think that is a mistake. They should have focused on an AK-107 if they wanted to wow us. I can only yawn at another 103... The shockwave was a huge success. They sold 50,000 or so in the the first 8 months of it’s release. New and cool... They need to get a magfed semi released. Bet they would easily sell 100,000 or more the first year. Hell, maybe that many of a semi magfed shockwave configuration alone... Well, others are beating them to the punch on the 9mm. Even PSA has one now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 I like the looks of the PSA but just don’t feel any of the other 9mm AK’s I’ve seen. I hate the look of the Glock mag ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 I agree, it's a little weird. I don't have any interest in a pistol caliber AK, but years ago I would have been all over it. They waited too long, lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 I’m dying to get one myself. Hopefully I don’t regret holding off on one but right now I just do t want to do it to myself. Too much other stuff going on. I fear if I get one I will spend a week anylyzing every detail I can of it. I have problems, lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Slightly off topic, but the thread took a few turns and evl and mike are involved-do you think it's a fair statement that it's better to regulate how much gas is flowing through the port vs bleeding pressure off after the fact (taken from a discussion over on the AK files PSL, but should be a cross over to the shotgun platform). And second, since you guys brought up AK pistol calibers, is there any advantage or innovation that a AK blow back has over an AR blow back or any other blow back design? Just a little curious as to what the take on this forum is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted April 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 why go blowback? do a radial delayed like the cmmg guard! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Or inertial. Keep a conventional Kalasnikov BCG, but change the length of the straight section of the camming groove, reduce the total amount of lock up so that forces transmit sooner. Carrier newton's cradles back, cams open the bolt with less force, no gas needed. Sloping those surfaces is an obvious step, but patents... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Basically the same idea as switching roller locked to roller delayed, but with rotating bolt head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 which patents? links please for research! the price on these is down to $940. im loving kusa shipping products... havent looked at reviews but options are nice!! https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/811777020425 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 I was referring to CMMG's radial delayed AR bolt patent for PCC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 9:18 AM, MikeD said: The market being so down should really help bring new items and innovation. The 9mm AK’s from K-USA should be a damn hot seller. Little pricy right now though... Their next step is going to be a AK-103. I think that is a mistake. They should have focused on an AK-107 if they wanted to wow us. I can only yawn at another 103... The shockwave was a huge success. They sold 50,000 or so in the the first 8 months of it’s release. New and cool... They need to get a magfed semi released. Bet they would easily sell 100,000 or more the first year. Hell, maybe that many of a semi magfed shockwave configuration alone... The AK market is smaller: It used to be the tightwads, and those who had a mythical idealized view of Russian simplicity/durability/reliability. That latter group is very traditional, and posts stupid "nyet rifle is fine..." at EVERY improvement. Now ARs are way cheaper than AKs, and so the tightwads are gone. That leaves the traditionalists. You don't wow that crowd, you sell them old ideas done as conventionally as possible. (Or convince them that the Romy M10 with tapco furniture is the traditional formula because they don't know better.) The AK-103 has been around long enough to be "traditional", but is still seen as "High end". That justifies the higher cost of an american made AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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