wjm 0 Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I just bought a Saiga .223, which is on its way to Tony Rumore for conversion. Obviously, I would rather modify the gun than modify the mags. That being said, I am looking for all my options: Can the mag well (or whatever other parts) be modified so the .223 Saiga will accept unmodified Bulgarian 5.56 waffle mags? Can the Saiga be modified to accept unmodified E German Weiger mags? Can it be modified to accept both of the above, unmodified ? I am aware that the Bulgarian waffles can be modified to fit the Saiga .223; however once modified, will the waffle mags still function in say a SA-M5? I have a SA-M5. I am also aware that someone has been able to modify the .223 Saiga to accept AR15 mags. The modification was stated as substantial, but I am sure Tony is capable of doing it. Are there any other options available. Your comments, opinions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
underrealm 0 Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I just bought a Saiga .223, which is on its way to Tony Rumore for conversion. Obviously, I would rather modify the gun than modify the mags. That being said, I am looking for all my options: Can the mag well (or whatever other parts) be modified so the .223 Saiga will accept unmodified Bulgarian 5.56 waffle mags? Can the Saiga be modified to accept unmodified E German Weiger mags? Can it be modified to accept both of the above, unmodified ? I am aware that the Bulgarian waffles can be modified to fit the Saiga .223; however once modified, will the waffle mags still function in say a SA-M5? I have a SA-M5. I am also aware that someone has been able to modify the .223 Saiga to accept AR15 mags. The modification was stated as substantial, but I am sure Tony is capable of doing it. Are there any other options available. Your comments, opinions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. I know I don't have the exact answers you're looking for, but I can tell you that my modified Weigers work in my S-223 as well as my SAR-3. And for what it's worth, the modification is minimal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Messiah Jones 2 Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Yes, yes and yes. -The Weiger mags work once you trim down the trunion so they fit in properly. -Regular bakelite 5.45 mags work once you put in a special follower made by Robarm. (Mag will still work with 5.45 rifle too. Also counts as 1 US part.) -Never used the waffle mags but I've seen it done. I'm currently trying to get Galil mags to work so any advice would help me out a lot guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SSGTWC 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Yes, yes and yes. -The Weiger mags work once you trim down the trunion so they fit in properly. -Regular bakelite 5.45 mags work once you put in a special follower made by Robarm. (Mag will still work with 5.45 rifle too. Also counts as 1 US part.) -Never used the waffle mags but I've seen it done. I'm currently trying to get Galil mags to work so any advice would help me out a lot guys. The Galil's mags wobble some in the receiver, but I haven't had any problems with the mags. All that needs to be done is filing down the very front raised portions. HTH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
termite 463 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I bought 3 of the 50 round Galils from CDNN, didn't have to touch them, other than loadem up and start shooting, but my gun also has a bullet guide to help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roscoe 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 We should make a sticky outlining all the options, since that is abuot half of what we talk about here in .223 forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonathon 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Do you have to install a bullet guide to use 5.45 mags with .223 followers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Messiah Jones 2 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Do you have to install a bullet guide to use 5.45 mags with .223 followers? Yes you do. A bullet guide is always needed unless you're using the factory Saiga mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I bought 3 of the 50 round Galils from CDNN, didn't have to touch them, other than loadem up and start shooting, but my gun also has a bullet guide to help. I don't know if there is some difference between the Steel 35s and the 50s but I have been tinkering with my 35s for some time trying to get them to feed right and I do have a feedramp from k var installed. They snap in alright but besides the serious side to side wobble they have, they don't fed for shit. In fact a lot of times the bolt rides up over the top of the shell and creases it. What exactly did you use for a feedramp termite? Good to see ya around again Messiah! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
termite 463 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I used a piece of 3000 PSI pipe. Had to grind and buff until I got it to just where the bolt would clear it. When you start getting close, spray it with lay out die to see where it's hitting, and then again when you chamber a round to see where the bullet starts to ride up, I put a tiny notch there to help it. Shot another full clip last saturday to shut up the thumper, not a jam 1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Cool man thanks, I may have to try building up my feedramp some and see if that does it. Here's a link to some great mags BTW. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?act=ST...st=0#entry89361 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icarus 3 Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I am also aware that someone has been able to modify the .223 Saiga to accept AR15 mags. The modification was stated as substantial, but I am sure Tony is capable of doing it. That was me. I haven't spent much time on the forum in a few months, work has been busy. I had to cut on the S223 quite a bit, more than what was in my last post, but the AR mags work flawlessly now. Here is the link to my post... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=9587&hl=galil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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