IndyArms 10,186 Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?item=50590928 Am I missing something here??? It looks like its missing some DIMPLES!... at first I thought it was a Saiga receiver... but it says its an AES10 squad weapon... RPK sort of thingy... I dunno... I cant see it being worth that much... but hey... I dunno... am I missing something?!?!!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?item=50590928 Am I missing something here??? It looks like its missing some DIMPLES!... at first I thought it was a Saiga receiver... but it says its an AES10 squad weapon... RPK sort of thingy... I dunno... I cant see it being worth that much... but hey... I dunno... am I missing something?!?!!? Local gunshop here had a new RPK a couple of months ago for $550, but I don't recall if it had dimples or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
44rdv4rk 0 Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 the AES-10 is a century int'l arms made rpk clone... think of a wasr-10 with a long barrel. they did a run of them before they did all those yugo's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted June 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 But NO DIMPLES?!?!?!? I thought the Saigas were the ONLY AK type to have no dimples?!!?!? I reckon not... Go figure... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
44rdv4rk 0 Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 (edited) nope, saigas, wasr's and the aes-10. colletor-types really freak on that shit.. thats the main thing they knock about the wasr, other than the mag fit, canted sights and shitty finish... well, ok there's lots to knock, but i still like mine lol. edit: oh yeah, and the aes-10 shouldn't go for more than $500 Edited June 15, 2006 by 44rdv4rk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 (edited) Just took a look at the auction site. Saw the guy also is offering a Saiga .308 AK-47! While we all know the Saiga is derived from the AK family (but more directly from the AK-74 rather than the venerable AK-47) but the AK-47 was never produced (correct me if I'm wrong) in .308. Edited June 15, 2006 by Aethelbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 You are correct, the AK-47 was never produced in 308. Actually, the way the Saigas are able to fit the longer 308 and shotgun shells is by taking up the space used by the full auto parts. Basically, the semi-auto only sporting market opened up great new possibilities for the AK design, hence the Saigas. Ishmash: "Hey look - when we drop the full auto parts, we have this much more space - just bump back the receiver post and we can fit full power 308 in there!" BattleRifle: "And if you cut the post out too and reinforce it elsewhere you can fit..." (he he he...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 the correct terminology for the saigas, sar, wasr, egyptians, chineese, etc etc, made after what? 1960ish? is AKM. the ak47 hasnt been made in a great number of years, since the late 50's so far as I know. the ak74 and krinkov are both from the akm family, but are not technically akm types, as there were some changes made to the weapons, and a redesignation on the configurations, as a result and reflection of thier specialised uses that they were redesigned for. even then, technically, the AKM is a weapon like what we get here in the USA, or with a 2 or 3 position selector, the 3 and 2 position selectors having 5 round burst. the bridge between ak47 and akm did have a build with a 3 position selector that had 3 shot and FA, and although I am not sure exactly when the change was made, FA without burst has become a thing of the past, except in squad level light machine guns. also, I do know that when the ak47 went back from a milled reciever to a stamped one, with riveting improvements, that was when the AKM designation occured. that is really the cut off point, between the ak47 and akm designations, if you have to be general about it. very simply, its AKM. ak-47 just attracts people that dont know much about what they are talking about. (even I will search for parts and stuff using search term ak47 or ak47 just because its a simple use thing.) when you see this, either the seller doesnt know what they are talking about, or if they do, then its not a collectible piece, unless you have that different front sight and other specific features that DATE it to the time when the ak-47 was still made. they are supposed to refer to them as AKM types, not ak-47's. I think its just simplicity that people still use the terms interchangeably. sorry for lack of quotations, technical specs etc. - just trying to explain a bit off the top of my head, seeing how ya'll gettin peeved over a technical terminology listing. if any of you have a true ak47, you should post pics and rub it in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 To expound on that and whip out the fine tooth comb, the AKM is indeed the stamped version originally chambered in 7.62x39mm. Most stamped AKs in 7.62x39mm are based on the AKM. Most AKs in 223 or 5.45x39mm are based on the later AK-74, which has some distinct differences from the AKM besides just the cartridge. Visually, the first to notice is the 90 degree gas block. The only stamped AKs in 5.45 and 5.56 that are not based on the AK-74 are the Norincos, SARs and WASRs, they're closer to the AKM. The current Russian AKs, from which our Saigas are derived, are the AK-100 series. These are patterned after the AK-74, using all of its advances, but are chambered in all three intermediate calibers (5.45x39, 5.56x45, and 7.62x39). So for military parts for Saigas, AK-74 is a good bet. If you want to install an AK type upper handguard on a Saiga rifle, use an AK-74 gas tube. Just wanted to specify that the AKM was the first standard military stamped AK, and shares some interchangeability with the other stamped AKs, but that it's a misnomer to refer to AK-74 family arms as AKM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 b, you put up a good point, and so did brg3, and i gotta agre from the research i've done, the saiga is ak-100 series but this is what i go by most of the time.... akm= 45 degree gas block, stamped ak47= milled ak74= (to keep it simple) ~22 caliber bullet, 90 degree gas block, "straiter" mag... ak100 series= all the new aks with all different calibers, 90 degree gasblocks etc(1 piece fsb/gb combo, short bbl sometimes). shotguns, rifles....damn you gotta love the saiga's for the amount of choices. ..... but really, they are all just ...AK's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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