slag 12 Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Had the camera out today and took a few pictures... thought I would share: And here are a pair of 12C Saiga's... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) *tear* Beautiful...BTW where did you get the stock for the saiga? Edited July 24, 2006 by Azkamidaka Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slag 12 Posted July 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 *tear* Beautiful...BTW where did you get the stock for the saiga? The 12C's came with the folders directly from the Molot arsenal... the AK-101 was a custom build by Arsenal USA... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Sweetness Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) The 12C's came with the folders directly from the Molot arsenal... the AK-101 was a custom build by Arsenal USA... Molot? All the -12Cs in this country were built and imported prior to the takeover of Molot by Izhmash, and yours clearly bear the Izhmash logo. What's the story on the -101 build? Arsenal USA receiver, K-VAR .223 barrel and bolt? My -101 is also an Arsenal USA job, but is one of the Saiga .223 conversions they did during the AWB years, rather than a parts-kit build. I love it! Edited July 24, 2006 by shooter2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slag 12 Posted July 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 The 12C's came with the folders directly from the Molot arsenal... the AK-101 was a custom build by Arsenal USA... Molot? All the -12Cs in this country were built and imported prior to the takeover of Molot by Izhmash, and yours clearly bear the Izhmash logo. What's the story on the -101 build? Arsenal USA receiver, K-VAR .223 barrel and bolt? My -101 is also an Arsenal USA job, but is one of the Saiga .223 conversions they did during the AWB years, rather than a parts-kit build. I love it! Izhmash... ok, my bad. On the AK-101, this was a custom build by Kolov/Arsenal on a K-var Bulgarian kit... done for return on a favor to Jimmy... it is a real sweet heart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KYCitizen 0 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Everytime I see a Saiga I see a new reason to have another. And my friends say Im crazy cuz I have 4 of them and In the process to buy 3 more this year. HAHA... But again sweet setup, love the stocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Beeeutiful job, dude. I know that the Russian side-folder is more true to the original, but. . .you can't side-fold while optics are on the gun, right?? That's primarily why I went with ACE: to be able to fire while left folded. I have never had the "stock" stock, so to speak, is there any spring tension? Or do you have to be either side locked (on the clip), or extended? My ACE has spring tension while folded to keep it down. Also. . .What do you mean when you say "it came with the stock"?? From what supplier??? Are you from outside the USA?? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 That's primarily why I went with ACE: to be able to fire while left folded. Also. . .What do you mean when you say "it came with the stock"?? His guns are factory original Saiga-12C's, imported in the depicted configuration during the AWB years, for use by Law Enforcement. Once the ban sunset, they became legal for citizens to own. Not only are they factory folders, but they're most likely ALL RUSSIAN, as well (unless he's changed something internally); no US parts are required for legality. Only about 1000 -12Cs were ever brought in; right after the sunset they sold for around $600-800 as dealers, individuals and departments looked to dump them on the (newly) open market for a quick buck. These days, when one turns up for sale, pricetag is upwards of $1200. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slag 12 Posted July 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 That's primarily why I went with ACE: to be able to fire while left folded. Also. . .What do you mean when you say "it came with the stock"??His guns are factory original Saiga-12C's, imported in the depicted configuration during the AWB years, for use by Law Enforcement. Once the ban sunset, they became legal for citizens to own. Not only are they factory folders, but they're most likely ALL RUSSIAN, as well (unless he's changed something internally); no US parts are required for legality. Only about 1000 -12Cs were ever brought in; right after the sunset they sold for around $600-800 as dealers, individuals and departments looked to dump them on the (newly) open market for a quick buck. These days, when one turns up for sale, pricetag is upwards of $1200. Yep... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Beautiful! Where can you get those optics at? Are they Russian? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) That's primarily why I went with ACE: to be able to fire while left folded. Also. . .What do you mean when you say "it came with the stock"??His guns are factory original Saiga-12C's, imported in the depicted configuration during the AWB years, for use by Law Enforcement. Once the ban sunset, they became legal for citizens to own. Not only are they factory folders, but they're most likely ALL RUSSIAN, as well (unless he's changed something internally); no US parts are required for legality. Only about 1000 -12Cs were ever brought in; right after the sunset they sold for around $600-800 as dealers, individuals and departments looked to dump them on the (newly) open market for a quick buck. These days, when one turns up for sale, pricetag is upwards of $1200. I have been reading auctions and other sources of AKs for over five years (in other words, during, and after the AWB) and I have never seen a Russian "no ban" version except as a pre-'89 MG ban model or pre-'94 AWB model. I have never seen or heard of any LEO "ordering," much less any US importer importing, a "during ban," no-ban Russian gun. The only importer of the Saiga line during the ban (and they dopped the line immediately AFTER the ban), was EAA. EAA NEVER imported anything but ban guns (that was what they were comnfortable with. Imediately after the ban, after EAA found out that people were doing PG conversions, they dropped the line like a hot potato to avoid the potential wrath of the BATF (silly considering they were doing nothing wrong). Who were/was the US importer(s) of these alleged Russian "no-ban during the ban for LEO only" AKs??? Edited July 25, 2006 by inparidel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slag 12 Posted July 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) I have been reading auctions and other sources of AKs for over five years (in other words, during, and after the AWB) and I have never seen a Russian "no ban" version except as a pre-'89 MG ban model or pre-'94 AWB model. I have never seen or heard of any LEO "ordering," much less any US importer importing, a "during ban," no-ban Russian gun. The only importer of the Saiga line during the ban (and they dopped the line immediately AFTER the ban), was EAA. EAA NEVER imported anything but ban guns (that was what they were comnfortable with. Imediately after the ban, after EAA found out that people were doing PG conversions, they dropped the line like a hot potato to avoid the potential wrath of the BATF (silly considering they were doing nothing wrong). Who were/was the US importer(s) of these alleged Russian "no-ban during the ban for LEO only" AKs??? You might want to expand your sources if you never heard of a 12C in five years... Begin right here on this site ---> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...w=&st=& Edited July 25, 2006 by slag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Slag, you always have or have access, to the coolest shit. That s12 with the door breacher has always been high on my list of to do's. Not to little, not too much................ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) You might want to expand your sources if you never heard of a 12C in five years... Begin right here on this site ---> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...w=&st=& And continue right here on this site: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=3866 And then go to where you USED TO be able to buy 'em: http://www.keepshooting.com/saiga12c.htm http://www.ak-103.com/nfa.html As far as who the importer was - I've seen at least one that was imported by Hesse. I'm sure there were other importers as well. Edited July 25, 2006 by shooter2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaltPeter 6 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 I bought mine in March 2003 from Kalashnikov USA. I think their out of business. It was 100% Russian with a side folder, pistol grip, and 8 rounder, just like the one in the pic above. It says it's for law enforcement only on the side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarLynx 0 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 ..Out of curiosity..I wonder who stamps the "For LE Only"...on the Cs @ that time??.....I've gone all over the import laws even for that time...& it's not required to do so...Maybe some liability issue...I suppose... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Slag thank you for posting pics of your fine Russian babes for us to enjoy Your pics never fail to impress. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Well. . .I'll be. I heard of people that wanted to get mfg licenses allegedly for LEO sales, but it was my understanding that they never actually sold any to LEOs, and during the ban, they could not sell them to anyone else, so it was my understanding that they are as rare as hen's teeth. Oh, well. You really do learn something new every day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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