expeditionx 1 Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 (edited) http://www.knoxx.com/NewStyleKnoxx/Company/LegalIssues.htm Federal law does restrict the installation of our products on semi-auto shotguns or those manufactured outside the United States. Doing so would constitute a federal felony with a hefty fine and prison sentence attached. Therefore, all of our products are designed in such a way as to prevent their installation on any semi-auto shotgun. I wish he would post his source. That is screwed up. I know he is refering to the sidewinder drum which is discontinued. I just do not see where he gets this idea though. Updated: 06/13/2006 Latest News and Announcements Sidewinder Discontinued - After several months of discussion and debate, we have decided to discontinue the Sidewinder System as a Knoxx Product. We are unable to find a vendor that can consistently provide us with parts made to specifications and we will not sell a product that doesn't function properly or reliably. The units we have sold passed rigorous testing and have all met our high standards. While we regret the necessity of this action, we are confident that it is the correct one. There are new finished products yet to be released. There are many more that are in development. Our product line will continue to expand and change. We are pleased to see the dramatic growth in sales in the last two quarters and are encouraged by the great articles that are appearing in the gun magazines. We expect the balance of the year to be the biggest sales period ever, thanks to you. Edited August 27, 2006 by expeditionx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Say what again? Hard to concentrate constantly having to look at Christina in your avatar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 It is my understanding from reading the Brady org page that - Assault weapons are commonly equipped with some or all of the following combat features: * A large-capacity ammunition magazine, enabling the shooter to continuously fire dozens of rounds without reloading. Standard hunting rifles are usually equipped with no more than 3 or 4-shot magazines. * A folding stock on a rifle or shotgun, which sacrifices accuracy for concealability and for mobility in close combat. * A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. A pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and makes it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed. * A barrel shroud, which is designed to cool the barrel so the firearm can shoot many rounds in rapid succession without overheating. It also allows the shooter to grasp the barrel area to stabilize the weapon, without incurring serious burns, during rapid fire. * A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, which serves no useful sporting purpose. The flash suppressor allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night, an advantage in combat but unnecessary for hunting or sporting purposes. In addition, the flash suppressor is useful for providing stability during rapid fire, helping the shooter maintain control of the firearm. * A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon. * A barrel mount designed to accommodate a bayonet, which obviously serves no sporting purpose. All this Horse manure was allowed to sunset and the "Assault Weapon Ban" is no longer in effect. In my opinion these folks need to update their page. Probably too busy designing and building new toys accessories for us. At any rate, Tromix would be in a world of hurt if the information were still accurate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted August 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 It is my understanding from reading the Brady org page that -Assault weapons are commonly equipped with some or all of the following combat features: * A large-capacity ammunition magazine, enabling the shooter to continuously fire dozens of rounds without reloading. Standard hunting rifles are usually equipped with no more than 3 or 4-shot magazines. * A folding stock on a rifle or shotgun, which sacrifices accuracy for concealability and for mobility in close combat. * A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. A pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and makes it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed. * A barrel shroud, which is designed to cool the barrel so the firearm can shoot many rounds in rapid succession without overheating. It also allows the shooter to grasp the barrel area to stabilize the weapon, without incurring serious burns, during rapid fire. * A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, which serves no useful sporting purpose. The flash suppressor allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night, an advantage in combat but unnecessary for hunting or sporting purposes. In addition, the flash suppressor is useful for providing stability during rapid fire, helping the shooter maintain control of the firearm. * A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon. * A barrel mount designed to accommodate a bayonet, which obviously serves no sporting purpose. All this Horse manure was allowed to sunset and the "Assault Weapon Ban" is no longer in effect. In my opinion these folks need to update their page. Probably too busy designing and building new toys accessories for us. At any rate, Tromix would be in a world of hurt if the information were still accurate. I emailed them and they replied the same shit that is stated on their page. This is very disturbing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RDSWriter 5 Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 (edited) Don't worry about it. That is just their company statement for CYA. Additionally, their product was designed during the previous AWB, so they were probably influenced in their design by now expired legislation. Edited August 28, 2006 by RDSWriter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Veen 0 Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 So who wants to buy the rights/blueprints to the Sidewinder and remanufacture it for the Saiga-12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 my foot is in the air....and will fall shortly....dont even discuss it. I dont feel like handing my saiga12 over to the fucking police because someone made a drum mag for sale to the public for it and the atf within hours determined it to be a DD. Im sure you all dont want it to happen, either. Im not a forum maderation nazi, BUT...I am on this subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 No matter how many times we post the rulings, laws, and regulations--some moron always thinks they can get whatever they want. If it is a shotgun and semi-auto it cannot have a NLFD. Period. That is the cold hard facts. Accept it and get on with life. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your own buisness. However if your belligerent stupidity gets my my Saiga ruled illegal I reserve the right to use it ON you before surrendering to the nice officers. (Hey I'm old and have already raised my family-and if I can't have my toys they just as well aught to put me away anyhow). Round, large objects scare the hell out of Uncle Batfuck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 (edited) --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G O B @ Aug 30 2006, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> No matter how many times we post the rulings, laws, and regulations--some moron always thinks they can get whatever they want. If it is a shotgun and semi-auto it cannot have a NLFD. Period. That is the cold hard facts. Accept it and get on with life. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your own buisness. However if your belligerent stupidity gets my my Saiga ruled illegal I reserve the right to use it ON you before surrendering to the nice officers. (Hey I'm old and have already raised my family-and if I can't have my toys they just as well aught to put me away anyhow). Round, large objects scare the hell out of Uncle Batfuck! You got me wrong. I do not care about using a drum on a Saiga. I was questioning why he is stating that using his products on a semiauto shotgun is illegal. The fact that he emailed me back when I questioned this and said that any semiauto shotgun can not legally utilize a detachable magazine with a round count greater than 5 rounds is disturbing. He is pointing the finger at the soon to be Saiga12 10 round mags and saying they would be illegal to use in any semi auto shotgun. That is bullshit if you do not have legal justification. Thats why this thread got started. I do not suggest anyone create mass produced drum for any saiga shotgun. Hope the misunderstanding is clear. Edited August 30, 2006 by expeditionx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RDSWriter 5 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Jeez... enough already Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kogashuko 17 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 --> QUOTE(G O B @ Aug 30 2006, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No matter how many times we post the rulings, laws, and regulations--some moron always thinks they can get whatever they want. If it is a shotgun and semi-auto it cannot have a NLFD. Period. That is the cold hard facts. Yeh, you cant have it because the internet told us we couldnt. Ghestopo will drop down through the roof and take your shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) With the confiscation of these Saiga shotguns our streets will be safer. Our Circle K stores will never be robbed again. Crime will cease from existing. The new Ghestopo Edited September 1, 2006 by expeditionx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zundfolge 0 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) Yeh, you cant have it because the internet told us we couldnt. Ghestopo will drop down through the roof and take your shotgun. Yeah, its just that darn old Internet trying to fool ya http://www.titleii.com/BardwellOLD/atfruling.2001-1.txt Actually the BATFE could probably RIGHT NOW restrict our Saiga 12s as NFA Destructive Devices so the idea is not to incur their wrath by going and making drum magazines for them. Edited September 1, 2006 by Zundfolge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 my foot is in the air....and will fall shortly....dont even discuss it. I dont feel like handing my saiga12 over to the fucking police because someone made a drum mag for sale to the public for it and the atf within hours determined it to be a DD. Im sure you all dont want it to happen, either. Im not a forum maderation nazi, BUT...I am on this subject. A-F***ING-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Just delete this and every other muthafucking STUPID thread on the subject. I swear someone is going to fuck this thing up for all of us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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