Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Alright kickass it finally happened! May we never again hear the word "vaporware" associated with these mags! They are real, they are functional, and they are AWESOME! Came well packaged and ready to rock. This one was even pretested and has the pleasant aroma of new mag smell mixed with burnt gunpowder mmmm Like with most of my favorite new toys I immediately disassembled it and checked out the quality. VERY NICE! The floorplate fits snug but is easily removed. It is clearly marked "AGP Arms AZ. U.S.A." With a little dremel work it can be made to fit the factory Saiga mags! *This is good* The spring base is identical to the factory 8 rdr but built heavier. Nice springs Kevin. Very stout. Is this stainless? The AZ. U.S.A. marked follower is also very similar to the 8 rdr and will fit and function in the 8 rdr! *This is also very good* Two more available compliance parts checked off the list! The bodies are beautiful! Very sturdy with reinforcing ribs and 9 stainless steel torx screws holding the two halves together. Mag lips look exactly like the Russian ones and are held in place the same way. The body is also stamped AGP ARMS INC AZ, USA...Sweet! Fit and Function: The mag is a little snug at the front egdes of the magwell on my guns but not a big deal. I test fitted it in 6 different ones and it fit in all but was tight in a couple of the new ones. Locks up nice and tight in all of them. One final bonus... It Looks freakin' AWESOME! Now for the Function Loads easily to capacity (10 rds) and is very easy to load on a closed bolt! **VERY GOOD THING** There is plenty of room for spring compression with a full mag. I hand cycled three full mags of the pickiest shells there are in an S-12 from my experience, the Winchester low brass cheapo stuff, and had no issues. Time to head out to the range and have some fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glock_forty5 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I can not wait! Thanks for the review, now when you gonna test that bad boy??? Nice screen saver btw. G45 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Nice pics and description. You've got our attention. There are 6 users reading this thread right now .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Conju 2 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Yes, but how does she Bump fire? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I guess I better call and update my CC info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doug01 3 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 +1 on the screen saver! Were there mags in the pictures? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badz2801 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Now those are pretty cool. Does it have metal in the front lip like the bakelite mags? I bet not since it is a shell design. Yup I am gonna have to get one of those. Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) Wasn't aware that the two halves were gonna be screwed together... I don't really care, as long as it works. I can't get over the sheer SIZE of that thing (heheheh)... how much longer is it than a factory 8-rounder? Can't imagine them fitting in any known mag pouch, which limits their practical use. I find the 8's to be borderline unwieldly; these 10s look like absolute monsters! I fully intend to buy the two I pre-ordered, but don't anticipate getting any more than that. The competition guys will probably eat 'em up; it will be interesting to see the ways they devise to carry several. Edited October 20, 2006 by shooter2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davidmdraege 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I like the fact that the 10 round mag sounds like it will be able to be loaded on the closed bolt. The Saiga I bought has the factory installed bolt hold open but it isn't for the last round. It would probably be faster to just slap in another mag, and yank the bolt back then it would be to pull the bolt back, hit the bolt hold open button (which is in a pretty awkward place in my thinking) and then slap the mag in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epsylum 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I think I have a woody!!! I soooo cannot wait to get mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKATTACK 5 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I'm speechless! I didn't get in on this first batch, but I'll be in on the next run!! Thanks for the review, Cobra. They look great! AKATTACK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berszerk 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Great news, Ill be glad to get these quality mags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Wait it makes closed bolt reloads easy? Holy crap awesome! I can't wait until mine arrive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Cool bro, thanks for sharing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckmeister 11 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 There was a mag in the picture? Oh yea... below the computer screen. Beautiful!! and the mags ain't bad either. Leave it to good-ole American ingenuity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muerte 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 What can I say about the 10 Round mags... They are real, I have held them loaded them and shot the shit out of them. They are a F-ing blast to shoot Me and Cobra shot about 100 rounds or so thru the 10 rounder and loved every minute of it. They were very well made and top notch. No sharp edges or anything sticking out to catch on clothing. I will let him tell yall all the little details but I have to say this did not help me with the "I need to wait to buy a Saiga" fight. For the first time I had ever shot a S-12 it was a treat to be able to test out the 10's. Oh an just cuz I have to "Na, na, na, na, na, na... I got to shoot em..." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 OK back from the range...lol The mag was definately up to par and yes we bumpfired it too! Muerte just happened by today with a couple hundred rounds of Winchester low brass. We proceeded to hit the Cobra range with all of that and some more. (nice fireballs from the 12, especially with the 3" MAGNUMS and the S-308 in the dark) We took my safe queen out and fed her all she could handle and then some. I'm not the only one with a bloody shoulder...lol! Ok it doesn't really like the 3" stuff. This is something that is easily remedied with a little follower adjustment I'm sure. The only problem with squeezing this many rounds in a Saiga 12 ga mag is the S-12 will only feed right if the shells are on enough of an upward angle so they don't dive into the bottom of the breech and hang up on the sharp edge at the bottom. The more shells you cram in there, the more the shell rims drop the feed angle at the front. The longer the shell, the lower the front. With the 2 3/4" shells, even though these are the softest and most picky IMO, they did really good. Keep in mind the test gun was a brand new EAA S-12 with no mods that hasn't had any break in time. There were some issues with charging on a closed bolt. Sometimes it worked and sometimes not. I have experienced the same thing with factory mags. Shell dives and hangs up sometimes. With the bolt back it loaded and shot perfect most times. There were a few hangups but again keep in mind this is a new gun and this is common. You all saw the video and this is the same mag used in it, from what I understand. I wasn't able to test it in my tried and true AKS-12 because the LRBHO I made will require a slight modification to the mag before I can use it in the gun. (about three seconds with a dremel) I will report again later... Muerte it was a hell of a lotta fun bro! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Conju 2 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 yes, but how does it bump fire? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 HELL YEAH IT BUMPFIRES... bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
investorsc 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 OK.....SO How does a mere mortal get 2 or three of these. Where do we order them from.... THanks, BRUCE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Thanks for the report. Glad I'm on the preorder list too! Now can we get a better shot of the screensaver in photo #2? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Thanks for the report.Glad I'm on the preorder list too! Now can we get a better shot of the screensaver in photo #2? Sure! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) I can't believe I'm going to ask this, but can they be down sized. I thought one of the original concepts was that it would be able to be cut at the ribs and the floor plate moved. I aint bitchin, #50 on the list, but it sure would make a good source for more managable 8's if it could be done. Edit, Mark's sad -I don't have the toys in Tonys toy box...well not yet (see post below). But it would definately be cool if we could mod these to fit our needs. Edited October 20, 2006 by 6500rpm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I should have my Beta unit on Monday and can tell you for sure at that time. But, I imagine that the magazine could be cut off at any point and a new track cut into the magazine walls using a woodruff keyset cutter in the mill. Then you could just slide the base plate into the new track. I'm with you. I would rather have a shorter mag. If I need more shots, I'll use my select-fire USAS-12 with a 20rd drum. ;-) Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Tony likes to throw these tidbits out. Like dangling a steak in front of a doebermann...................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
investorsc 0 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Yes, He is a CRUEL tease.......... Guys, where is this LIST to get on for the 10 rounders......?????? Please... Thanks and have a great weekend, BRUCE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kahrak 2 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) Guys, where is this LIST to get on for the 10 rounders......?????? http://agparms.com/ This is where most of us got on the list, somewhere else was taking preorders as well but I didn't order from them so I don't have the link. Edited October 21, 2006 by kahrak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doug01 3 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Thanks for the report. Glad I'm on the preorder list too! Now can we get a better shot of the screensaver in photo #2? Sure! SEE.............there is a GOD after all and thats proof. So what if he has an airbrush Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Yes, He is a CRUEL tease.......... Guys, where is this LIST to get on for the 10 rounders......?????? Please... Thanks and have a great weekend, BRUCE http://www.thegunsource.com/shopping_viewp...idproduct=62421 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
S-12inWV 1 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 I went to the site, created a profile, but still can't find a way to add them to "my cart" and go ahead and order sum for when they do the next batch... What do I need to do to get on the list? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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