dinzag 31 Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 ...the way I read it, if you take an imported Kalashnikov weapon and change any of the parts on the gun that are on the ATF list of "evil" parts, you must change enough of them to bring the weapon back into compliance. If you change ANY of these parts, that constitutes "ASSEMBLY", and that's a no no unless done by the book. Muzzle brake or not, that rifle is not importable with an AK gas tube and AK furniture. Muzzle brake/attachment may be the stickler here as it's an added part - something was assembled, configuration was altered. Aside from that, I don't read anywhere where it says you can't import a rifle with an AK gas tube and AK furniture. What about WASR's? It came in with an imported stock and imported handguards and they were traded for the same. Still no PG or buttstock added, not high cap, gas tube is not on the list. Is swapping a handguard or buttstock out constitute assembly? I had a SKS with a ratted out stock and swapped it for a nice laminate one. Was that in violation of 922r? I'm just thinking out loud, not trying to spark an argument in the photo thread. Mods can delete this or move to appropriate section... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Well I try to stay on the safe side. Better safe than sorry. Dinzag could be right. I would like to hear what they have to say about it. I wouldn't be surprised if you got two different answers from two different ATF officers. If your muzzle hasn't been threaded then you probably don't really have anything to worry about, but in Kali who knows If you want to be sure, changing the furniture will give you two parts. Then you can change the piston, the hammer, and disconnector to get five. I wouldn't want to change any parts in the FCG without changing all of them but some have done it without problems. It's not that hard to swap the whole thing. You just have to cut / grind the US made trigger off to match the part in the factory rifle. If you are already ordering from BRG3 you can probably get an altered FCG from him. That way you wouldn't have to mess with the gas piston. I haven't done it but you should be able to compress the retainer spring and get the axis pins in and out without having to remove the rear pins and factory trigger linkage. Sorry to go into all this in the picture thread. I think it's important to be sure about compliance issues with any guns pictured on our site though. A lot of people read the picture threads looking for ideas about how to do their own guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Willie D 2 Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 My "Reds" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalash 0 Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 My 7.62x39 Saiga converted by AK-USA to an AK-103 clone- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 (edited) My 7.62x39 Saiga converted by AK-USA to an AK-103 clone- I see Chris butler still doing magic, hey look at your muzzle brake on the rifle is the new style, really wanted to get my hand on one but allways something comes along and forget about ordering one. I know he made few styles and even ss brakes must on the new style brake plus the finish on the gun is just like factory, like it a lot I think if you want a exact replica no one beats AK-USA when comes to AK-100 series of guns. Edited September 8, 2007 by vjor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 girmper is not braking the law, as long is not a pistol grip and no high cap mag on the gun, everything is ok, the muzzle brake makes nothing because he is not using high cap mag and still in sporter configuration the brake is a brake like any other brake that is sold for sporter guns to control muzzle climbing. plus if only Saiga mags are use the gun is like came from factory, looks different but still the same plus a brake, now if he install a feed ramp, mod the catch to take large cap ak mags, them he will be violating 922. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) My 7.62x39 and .410 next to my SKS Edited September 10, 2007 by Superhawk138 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sulphur 7 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 My 7.62 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Here's my 7.62X39 that I had bullseye bluing do the FCG on. I also went a little crazy with some white automotive touch up paint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Here's my 7.62X39 that I had bullseye bluing do the FCG on. I also went a little crazy with some white automotive touch up paint. I'm glad to see that it made it back to you, I read the post that said UPS had lost your package. Looks Nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Here's my 7.62X39 that I had bullseye bluing do the FCG on. I also went a little crazy with some white automotive touch up paint. I'm glad to see that it made it back to you, I read the post that said UPS had lost your package. Looks Nice Dude, UPS really let me down that weekend, as well as the police department who were being too lazy to make a report. They actually told me that they didn't know how long I had to report it(ATF says 72 hours) and said that it really wasn't that big of a deal and to give it a couple of days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BullShark012 1 Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) Here's mine now...about to add the bolt on ACE PG Folding Sock Set, so will post a new pic when I get it. p.s. - I know the pic w/ the 30rd is not a legal config. But I had to test out the Master Moulder 30 rd mags to know if they work, so I could order the ACE kit and then be legal w/ 30 rd.! 3 pics Edited September 22, 2007 by BullShark012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wlnt 2 Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Please excuse my un-cropped photo. I am still not able to edit the way I want with our new printer. I am about 99% done with my conversion, and I really like it. For those of you who are fairly new, I modified my original Saiga buttstock to have more of an AK47 look. I was a "nervous wreck" when I started taking a perfectly good rifle apart, but I wouldn't do it any other way now. If someone offered me $850 for my converted Saiga, I would turn it down. louielouie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Please excuse my un-cropped photo. I am still not able to edit the way I want with our new printer. I am about 99% done with my conversion, and I really like it. For those of you who are fairly new, I modified my original Saiga buttstock to have more of an AK47 look. I was a "nervous wreck" when I started taking a perfectly good rifle apart, but I wouldn't do it any other way now. If someone offered me $850 for my converted Saiga, I would turn it down. louielouie I see you get it done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 A couple of updated pics. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 (edited) Master Molder Mags DO work. you need to remove the TINIEST bit of material on the tapered side of the latch. I did it with a Box-Cutter knife. I just shaved a little until it snapped in. Then I loaded one up with 30rds and pulled the handle back, let go, popped right in. Repeated 29 more times, not one mis-feed. AND I only had Soft-Points... So if the mags will feed the least reliable form of ammo IMO, then they should do FMJ just fine. Enjoy the first-day gun porn. Edited October 23, 2007 by SaigaNoobie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tab1324 0 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Here's mine now...about to add the bolt on ACE PG Folding Sock Set, so will post a new pic when I get it. p.s. - I know the pic w/ the 30rd is not a legal config. But I had to test out the Master Moulder 30 rd mags to know if they work, so I could order the ACE kit and then be legal w/ 30 rd.! 3 pics Hey - wondering how you guys are slotting the handguards - I really like that look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hey - wondering how you guys are slotting the handguards - I really like that look. You can dremel out the handguards to make those vents. Also, BRG3 does some nice furniture work, check out his stuff - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=9471 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Isn't she pretty? . . . oh and my girlfriend's not bad either That's what precision looks like for all you Iron-Sight guys. she's never shot a rifle before last week, not bad for 100 yrds. She anticipates the shot and jerks down and to the left. (Notice the .45 target on the top of the fridge and her target from last week @ the 50 yrd below it. You can't see my target to the left of hers, but mine is better, I guarantee it!) :killer: :killer: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pk3dnow 1 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Nothing fancy but here you go: And what my Saiga 7.62x39 does to old computer hardware Since this picture I've added a skeleton stock and a few gut changes to make it 922 compliant. The magazine is a Surefire 30rd from GilbertsGuns.com -PK Edited November 9, 2007 by pk3dnow 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J0k3r 0 Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 I was in the mood to take pics of my Saigas,lets see your guns!Wish we could get a permanent sticky at the top of each caliber forum for pics only with desciptions with no replys,just PM's or Email for questions about the gun.I know alot of newer members like to see what others have done. 7.62x39 Ace non folding stock Old style Fal grip G2 trigger group Ar15 flashider modified Kobra red dot site I went with real Saiga mags,no mods That is one nice piece of art...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micah360 6 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 (edited) I finally found a Saiga with dimples AND the third "Y" stamp! Edited November 17, 2007 by micah360 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Very SOCOM M1A like. VERY-NIIICE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grimper 0 Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I finally found a Saiga with dimples AND the third "Y" stamp! Where in the world did you find it? I have been looking everywhere , I want one so bad. Also did you press on a new FSB? where did you get the cleaning rod stop? Nevertheless awesome job it looks great!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micah360 6 Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 (edited) Thanks... I love it! I found it from a private party already professionally converted into a Khyber Pass build (triangle stock, Russian wood handguards and pistol grip), but it had a 24mm threaded FSB with a 74 type break, not a 14mm threaded barrel with a slant break (the way Khyber's are supposed to look). I knew it would make a much better AK-103 clone, so I sold the furniture and bought the polymer stuff and now it's a 103! Oh... and the break is the stop for the cleaning rod. Edited November 20, 2007 by micah360 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Got my Grip nut and everything converted. Taking it to the range soon, already love the feel of the G2 FCG over the stock P.O.S. Don't question the 922r on this. I put a TAPCO follower in the mag. The original stock was the perfect length for my scope and liked it better than the Tapco I bought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Got my Grip nut and everything converted. Taking it to the range soon, already love the feel of the G2 FCG over the stock P.O.S. Don't question the 922r on this. I put a TAPCO follower in the mag. The original stock was the perfect length for my scope and liked it better than the Tapco I bought. Nice!!! I wouldn't have thought the factory stock would look that good with a PG, but it does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Yah, I like the fact that it looks like a LONG gun. I'm not a big fan of Carbine length rifles (Short range is for Pistols and shotties, if you need the compactness of a carbine for cramped quarters, you're not shooting 100yrds anyway, and if I were "Assaulting" any building, I wouldn't do it with a rifle, I'd do it with slugs and buckshot). So keeping with the long look, I decided to put the original stock back on. The extra (almost 4") length makes iron sights a bit of a reach on the eyes, but the scope sits perfectly. As long as I keep US mags or foreign mags + US floor plates or followers, I'll be fine, and I love the way this looks now. It's balanced. Sleek. A Very "Long-Range" look on an intermediate cartridge. I'm sure the iron site picture would be better if the FSB of my iron sites wasn't twisted 5* to the left making lining up the whole thing a bit awkward. Glad you like it .22 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Got my Grip nut and everything converted. Taking it to the range soon, already love the feel of the G2 FCG over the stock P.O.S. Don't question the 922r on this. I put a TAPCO follower in the mag. The original stock was the perfect length for my scope and liked it better than the Tapco I bought. It don't look bad at all, I had mine like that for a while untill i got a Tapco folder to hold me over untill i get an Ace folder. It was just a little to long that way. http://forum.saiga-12.com/uploads/gallery/...3_159_33316.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Got my Grip nut and everything converted. Taking it to the range soon, already love the feel of the G2 FCG over the stock P.O.S. Don't question the 922r on this. I put a TAPCO follower in the mag. The original stock was the perfect length for my scope and liked it better than the Tapco I bought. It don't look bad at all, I had mine like that for a while untill i got a Tapco folder to hold me over untill i get an Ace folder. It was just a little to long that way. http://forum.saiga-12.com/uploads/gallery/...3_159_33316.jpg Very nice Superhawk. BTW, I nicknamed mine the Saigafield X39 Blackfeather as a spoof on the VERY expensive Springfield M25 Whitefeather seen here: http://www.oneshotonline.com/store/product...d=325871eac12ba Mine looks cooler anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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