smithmonsters 0 Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 First off id like to say hi to all you saiga fans. I bought my saiga about 2 weeks ago and i love it .I feel its the best bang for the buck. But i need questions answered in a way that makes it clear to me. # 1 Are 20 or 30 round mags legal ? If they are, how do you get them? perferably without makeing or converting them myself. Ive heard about replacing parts to make them legit but the link didnt show the exact parts (or maybe i just couldnt figure it out) How much money ? Should i just buy two or three extra 10 rounders? # 2 Are pistol grips legal? Does it require a new stock to add a pistol grip? # 3 Does anyone make a bipod that fits well and dosnt feel really cheap? # 4 Who makes stocks for saigas thumbhole or pistol If it matters i live in utah and although we dont have as lame of gun laws as california it would not surprise me if these things are not going to be legal in this wonderful state i live in. (ha ha) My buddy just got a .223 and is wondering about the same things. Sorry for the miss spellings and errors. Thank you in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hartzpad 0 Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 (edited) Welcome, I live in Utah as well and own both a converted 7.62x39 Saiga and a Saiga 12. 1) to use any mag larger than 10 round you need to replace 5 Saiga parts with 5 U.S. made parts. The easiest and one of the only ways is to do a pistol grip conversion replacing the Fire Control Group (3 parts), Buttstock, and pistol grip = 5 US made parts. If you don't want to convert to a pistol grip, you are out of luck with hi-capacity magazines. 2) perfectly legal if you convert, see 1). You can use the stock buttstock with a pistol grip conversion, but that mean you have to add one more US part somewhere else and your buttstock will both look weird and be too long. 3) You can mount a Harris bipod to the sling swivel, very sturdy and professional. But I'm not a big fan of bipods for 7.62x39 rifle, you just aren't going to be very accurate anyways. 4) no one yet. If you do the pistol grip conversion, you can use any stock for a stamped receiver AK. BTW, what part of Utah? I live in Provo. Would be fun to do a Saiga shoot sometime.l In fact, if you are discouraged from converting your Saiga, as I was at first, maybe I could help you out. It's really not that hard and is very worthwhile too! I'll be converting my Saiga 12 around Sept. 13th (sunset of AWB) Edited July 13, 2004 by hartzpad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I can't beleive you didn't add the sheik link! http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/ I don't know how Utah is (I've always tried to hurry through there!hehe), 30 round mags are legal here in oregon (pronounced Origun). The thing that was unclear to me (Before the conversion), was which is the legal way to do it according the BATF - changing the magazine or changing the gun. I wish I could find a site that listed each state ordinences about firearms. smithmonter - if you didn't know you own an AK-47 with a stamped receiver, russian no doubt! It has been basterdized from it's origonal form with a hunting (monte, carlo type) stock. The triggar has been moved to the back of the receiver, where the full auto stuff should be (right?), to accomodate the hunting stock so you can reach the trigger from the back. The hi-cap mags can be found anywhere on the planet. Go to ANY gun store and ask for an ak-47 magazine - they'll probably overcharge you at $20. goto http://www.k-var.com/price.asp?30=0+and+20&6=4 , and explore around - it'll give you a good idea of what you can do to these guns! happy shootin'! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robgrandam 0 Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 just for informational purposes...the saiga rec. can accept most common hi cap ak mags by either filing the latch in the gun or the catch on the mag...there is very little metal to remove so go easy www.centerfiresystems.com has hi cap ak mags for 8 bucks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hartzpad 0 Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 just for informational purposes...the saiga rec. can accept most common hi cap ak mags by either filing the latch in the gun or the catch on the mag...there is very little metal to remove so go easy www.centerfiresystems.com has hi cap ak mags for 8 bucks Of course, but what's the point of telling people that without making sure they know it is totally illegal to do so w/o adding U.S. parts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robgrandam 0 Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) i belive thats already been beat to death on this thread do you really feel that i need to say it again Edited July 14, 2004 by Robgrandam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tengu 0 Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Excellent quality NIW Chinese 30 round mags can be bought from RPBusa for $6.95. http://www.RPBusa.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robgrandam 0 Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 great link thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithmonsters 0 Posted July 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 A big thanks to everyone ecspecially hartzpad. Me and my buddy with the.223 (he wants the bipod,im no sniper), will be adding the us parts soon to make this legal. I cant imagine how much fun it will be to have 30 rounds to rattle off.Thanks for the great links. I look forward to talking with you all about these guns. By the way i live in Murray (SLC) Do you happen to know if there are any stores with saigas in stock in provo orem area? Slc is about dry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robgrandam 0 Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 sorry not familiar with the SLC area but i do know that CDNN has them for 179.99 thats the best price ive seen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hartzpad 0 Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 By the way i live in Murray (SLC) Do you happen to know if there are any stores with saigas in stock in provo orem area? Slc is about dry Gallensons's gun shop on 2oo South and state street (or maybe it was main street) had a few in May. They have their FFL on file with CDNN though, so you can just order through them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithmonsters 0 Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 How much did the conversion cost? parts, shipping and all. we are going to start shooting on the other side of the utah lake if you ever want to go. That 179 price is crazy but dosnt it cost 30 to tranfer to a ffl ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hartzpad 0 Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I did an expensive conversion, but I'm happy with it: ACE skeleton buttock + all hardware and recoil pad = $119 ACE Galil pistol grip = $17.95 Tapco G2 FGC = $39.99 Total was around $180. But if you wanted to do it cheap, it can be done for $100 and under Do let me know if you guys ever go out shooting. I usually just shoot in some local spots, but I've heard good things about the gravel pit on the west side of Utah lake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I love all the budding ak enthusiatsststssts. trigger group = 20$ pistol grip = 5$ butt stock = 35$ I can't remember, but that's conservative on the high side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithmonsters 0 Posted July 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 saigalova where are those prices from? should i just wait till the gun show that is comming to slc on the 1 st of aug? do you think the will have all the stuff i need. i would think they would and maybe i can save on shipping. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 K-var had the buttstock pistole grip combo from K-var, $40 - $45. I can't remember where the trigger group came from but I don't think that you need a new hammer, and you don't need a new retainer or (detacher hook, whatever it is) hook, althought you DO need 10 U.S. parts. I guess looking back- I might have payed $40 for the trigger group. Seems like I just saw one for $20, some where - the trigger is an important component I would rather spend some money getting something that works! the G2 single hook is a fine trigger group. If you buy the whole thing in peices it doesn't seem like alot. The gun show won't give you ANY of these parts!!!! unless you find some gun smith that puts shi together! and work some kinda deal. You can haggle some times for clips ( I got two forty rounders for like $28). And cases of bullets are cheap there! other wise I don't feel anything good comes of it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey93turbo 0 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Which kvar pistol grip/buttstock combo do I need? can someone please link me? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 (edited) hear you go. You want ANY butt stock that goes with a STAMPED RECIEVER!!!! Remember that word! then you'll have to cut it a little to fit the saiga, the part that goes into the gun I mean. I'm warning you though, the euro (regular size) is pretty damn short! I seriously didn't like mine and went for the NATO legnth! It put my face too close to the receiver, after shooting with the regular(saiga) stock it didn't feel right to me at all! here are some combo sets - K-var has treated me very well in the past! http://www.k-var.com/price.asp?30=20+and+50&6=6 that warsaw lagnth one looks pretty cool Edited July 19, 2004 by Siagalova Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey93turbo 0 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 whats the warsaw length? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 it just means that it's longer than the Europen (standard) legnth!!! I'm very baised on this subject I hate that euro one!!!!!! AND I have the 20" barrel I thought it looked funny, too!! For me, I'd use that euro on a .223, but I've kinda changed my mind on the saiga for that round! just go for that warsaw combo -you won't be dissapointed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey93turbo 0 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 So there's Euro, NATO, then Warsaw? My girlfriend will be shootin this so i need to take that into consideration also... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 there's only a 1.5 inch difference. I'm only assuming the warsaw legnth is longer, because the WARSAW and NATO are both war type agreements which include makeing standards on war type weapons, banning chemicals and the such! if your going to change your mind for your girlfreind, then go ahead! it might be a good idea, but is she going to start giving you a bed time? (just razzin' ya man!) According to sheike (refer to the web site), that's why the euro butt stock is so short, for women and children. I guess there's nothin' wrong with it, alot of guys use them! if you've got the shorter gun it keeps the whole thing compact. I'm just tryin' to warn you - I ended up buyin' another one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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