aurbis 1 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 For those of you without S-12s (those lucky bastards), what do you consider your primary, fail-safe HD weapon? Is it a large caliber handgun, pump shotgun or spiked baseball bat? Myself, I'm particularly fond of the 12ga Mossberg 500. Reliable, tough, affordable, powerful. Nothing better than 00 buck in CQC. It's also 'tacti-cool' black. Originally I was looking into AOW shorty shotguns, 12-14 inch barrels. But most places charge too much for those for my budget. Kindof OT (even though I started the topic): What are your opinions on putting a PG-only on a 12ga shotty? In my situation, space is a big concern, I'll save every inch from OAL that I can. Just wondering what kind of severe pain I should be expecting in my wrist... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 A Saiga-20, kept under my bed.... well, to be kept there sometime soon I've got a TROMIX currently on order with Tony, it will arrive with all the bells-n-whistles. ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aurbis 1 Posted January 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Do you feel 20ga is acceptable in HD situations? It probably is. Personally, I like to err on the safe side and perhaps even be 'excessive,' whatever that means. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Oops sorry! It appears that I'm WAY overqualified to take part in this discussion... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) 1st - the dog. 2nd - 870 Express (the noise itself messes with peoples heads.) 1 rubber buck (feeds first) then 2-00 or 000 shot. lastly Bren slug. 3rd - Christian track handouts! Freaks the hell out of some people. sends 'em runnin'! Also could come in handy if you were a would be attacker bleedin' out from some 00 in your gut! Edited January 16, 2007 by Juggernaut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Welcome to the wondrous world of CQC/Home Defense! 12 ga is a definite stopper/splatterer. 20 ga is more controllable in a high-tension situation involving a home invasion. Even .410 ga is a positive stopper at true home defense ranges as these involve distances of only 10-20 ft! At that range the .410 -- even loaded with #6 shot -- will blow a 1" hole in the rib cage of a 60 lb dog -- saw that happen about 47 years ago when my dadheard a ruckus in the barn and found such a dog going after our one and only cow. He'd thought that a .410 with #6 shot would just put a hurt on the dog and discourage it. Yes, it discourageit but rather permanently. Using #4 shot or, better yet, 000 buckshot is even more of a stopper. You can ask Cobra about that. Myself? I use 3" slug loads (Brenneke) in my Saiga .410. The .410 is also much easier for the diminutive lady of the house to use if it becomes necessary. I shortened the shoulder stock by 1 3/4", repaced the rear sight, got rid of the front bead sight (replaced it with a modified AK-74 FSB) and put a muzzle brake on it. Also had cooling vents cut into the handguards. As has been said by someone else already, the only thing I don't care much for is the 4-shot mag but I like even less the thought of somehow having to cough up the migh dollar amounts needed to get even one, much less two, high-cap mags. Even 4-shot mags seem to go for about $35-$40 each, so I am kinda restricted to one mag. However, if four shots don't stop an intruder, then I needed help in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) ......in my pre-S-12 days, it was PG'd 870 w/ 00 Buck in the front room........., Mossberg Riot pump in the bedroom............., and Kimber Ten II's in between..........., (among other selections.........) ( LOL, Cobra.......!!) Edited January 16, 2007 by Jeaux E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Even with S-12s, I still keep out my 870 with 3in 00' shells. Its got a pressure pad light, PG, and extension tube. I also keep out one 45 for carry. The rest is in the safe. I figure there's no need to risk anything more to theft, rust, mischef, etc. Oh, and for those sporting 00 Buck, don't forget the BoxOTruth's test showing it goes through interior walls. (They also have a review of the S-308 on their page) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badman400 3 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) XD-45 with Insight X2L light/laser on nightstand loaded with Corbon DPX, Mossberg 500 with LED light 2 steps from bed-loaded with 8 rounds 00 buck, HP .45 in Sportsman's Guide wall clock also loaded with DPX, and Saiga 12 loaded with 6 rounds 00 buck, very near. I'll soon have the 2 10 rounders that I just bought from AegisDei for the S12. If an intruder should make it past this, I might have to stick him with the shark brake and crack open the safe. Edited January 16, 2007 by badman400 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DHunter 1 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Oops sorry! It appears that I'm WAY overqualified to take part in this discussion... Yep +1 on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Ithaca 37 w/ 13", rifle sighted barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
44rdv4rk 0 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) edit... the first 2 pics are more of a deterrent than anything else... the hi-point is great at short range, and the ol' ranger repeating shotgun just happens to be my shortest shotgun. Edited January 16, 2007 by 44rdv4rk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Wife- S-.410,10rd mags loaded 4#3buck,5 slugs. All Barnul steel hulls. Me-S-12, 00 buck. And 9mm star B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Me, mother in law chain into pole on kitchen with long chain. that witch has rabies and will probably rape and kill any intruder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 What are your opinions on putting a PG-only on a 12ga shotty? In my situation, space is a big concern, I'll save every inch from OAL that I can. Just wondering what kind of severe pain I should be expecting in my wrist... I've shot a few of these w/18 inch barrels, and they're not too bad with BIRDSHOT. The main thing is that you are hip-firing it, and you have to put your wrist at an extreme angle to do it. Couple that with the shotgun pushing that angle even further, and you've got yourself some pain, after repeat shots. If I were gonna do it, I'd saw off the butt portion of a "sporter" type stock and leave the "grip" portion (See Terminator 2). This makes your hand rest at your side more naturally, so you can hip fire without it putting you in a wristlock. One other point, if space is a factor, I assume you're not taking long shots. At short range, birdshot should suffice for HD, and you don't have to worry about killing your neighbor. Slugs and 00 buck would just tempt me to take a shot at someone running away, down the street (Lawsuit). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badman400 3 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Me, mother in law chain into pole on kitchen with long chain. that witch has rabies and will probably rape and kill any intruder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 What are your opinions on putting a PG-only on a 12ga shotty? In my situation, space is a big concern, I'll save every inch from OAL that I can. Just wondering what kind of severe pain I should be expecting in my wrist... I've shot my old S12 one handed with magnum loads and was fine. You won't get the fastest follow-up shot, but the gas system is so good that with magnum loads you can limp wrist to absorb the recoil. If you're shooting with two, it's cake and allows for very fast magazine changes because you don't have to unshoulder/reshoulder your gun. I keep a Mossy 500 on hand all the time, and usually I let my Sig P226 out whenever I'm home. You're definitely right about space concerns, the Mossy has a 20" barrel and full-size stock, so it's super long. That's why I keep the Sig out...I'm not sure how long it would take me to stand up then lift, swing, and shoulder the shotgun The pistol I know I can grab and point as quick as it takes me to sit up and it's easier to find with night sights. But I'm always worried about someone breaking in while I'm away, and I don't always remember to put up my toys, so I don't want to risk losing anything worth more than a few hundred bucks (Mossy=$225). So if the Mossy disappears, I'll be pissed but I'm not out as much if I lost any of my others. I'd recommend a cheapy (but reliable) shotgun for if you have time to get to it, and a cheapy (but reliable) pistol for if you don't. Pawnshops often have hunting Rem870s and Moss500s for <$150. They're not high cap and the barrel would need to be hacked down, but it's a good way to spray. Combine that with a Hi-point and you'd have a strong combination IMO. If stolen, you're only out about $300, way less than a single S12, but you have enough firepower to defend against near any home invasion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RangerM9 1 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 12 ga 870 Wingmaster 3 inch mag that I picked up for $100 last year, with the 20 in smooth bore rifle sighted barrel (another $110) is my first choice in home defence......after that, my Steyr M9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Mossberg 500 w/ PG--OO buck, Glock 21, CZ82. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Before using 00 buck or slugs, consider your line of fire. I have a brick house, kids grown, no houses in lines of fire. Unless you have a simular situation, use #4 through #1 buck. only and NO slugs. Gun controll isn't just hitting what you aim for, you need to be SHURE- NOT to hit any thing you didn't make a decision TO HIT! With gun ownership goes RESPONSIBILITY. Use the propper tool for the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) I keep a 3 inch barreled M64 S&W 38 Spl loaded with safety slugs as a primary house gun. Theres a Mossberg 500 locked up in the closet as a backup, loaded with low recoil OO buck. I like the low recoil ammo as it allows a faster followup shot. Concerning the small birdshot loads, consider this: You wife/girlfriend/mother calls you and says a guy is breaking in the door. "What ammo should I put in the shotgun?" Are you going to say a birdshot load? I dont think so. Its time to reach for OO buck, a proven stopper. I use the 38 as a main gun as it belongs to my wife and she can handle it. Also if someone comes to the door you cant always have a shotgun in your hand. The 38 is easily concealed. For the shotgun with a pistol grip only the low recoil loads work ok. The regular loads sting too much for me. Just my .02. Edited January 18, 2007 by ironhead7544 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 damn, I guess I have to remove the damn claymore out of my living room, I never think of the damn people next door. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 ....."if someone comes to the door you can't always have a shotgun in your hand." Around my house, you can. Although, really, to tell the truth.......it's not always in my hand.......but my hand is always on it One at the front door, and one at the back............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Kimber Tactical Custom in the nightstand. I have to make like 3 turns to get to my living room, I'd be better off with the night sights and short barrel. I've also got the S-12 under the bed, but with a 22" barrel and two bad guys in the living room, who knows what I'd grab. Probably both. I also keep a shotgun news and a K-bar by the toilet. If someone breaks in while I'm takin a shit, I'm gonna "terminate with extreme prejudice" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) LOL! I thought it was just me with the S-12 by the shitter! That's in the master BR all the way around behind the King waterbed (bulletproof if I have to roll out of it real quick and grab said tactical S-12 from the bathroom doorway). Come out of there and there's a nice clean 25' shot down the hallway with the brick fireplace wall between me and my neighbor (and it's 8' underground on that side of the house). Hopefully whoever I'm shooting at hasn't already found the other shotgun by the door (front or back). If so They'll be blinded by the tac light first and then a muzzle blast soon after. Oh I forgot to mention the G-17 with 18 rds of hollow points between my pillow and the bed frame. Moral of the story...don't dare follow a snake into his den or try and sneak up on him while he sleeps, especially a cobra! Edited January 19, 2007 by Cobra 76 two Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Good thread. Nightstand, my side- XD-.45 ACP 4", Wife's side-XD-9mm, both with Insight laser/light combo's. Bedroom corner- 870 Express w/ 18" barrel, Surefire front griplight, Knoxx CopStock. Bedroom closet- Wife's old Taurus .38 Ti w/ Lasergrips My living room- Glock 36 w/ night sights and that laser in the recoil spring (forget the name...), and S-12 with...... Her living room-Beretta Storm .45 ACP w/ 2x Aimpoint and Surefire light. Not far away or pocket-holstered- KelTec .380 w/ frangibles (me and mah bitch...). Garage-Taurus Millenium Pro .45 ACP Soon to be delivered/added- Red Jacket AK-47 Tac shorty pistol w/ light, green laser, Eotech. I consider my best defense my 3 German Wirehaired Pointers, you don't even walk on "their" sidewalk without being completely aware that they are guarding "their" house! I once had an ADT alarm salesman back away from my front door one evening as I answered it, he admitted that I probably didn't really need his product.... That, plus custom-made solid Oak doors and frames, lag-bolted to reinforced studs, try and kick that, sucker! BTW, anybody catch Sir Ted Nugent at TX Governor's re-election inauguaration party last night? He pretty much dis'ed Prick Perry for his 180 deg. turnabout on illegal immigration...Ted's the epitome of "man w/ 'nad's!! Guido2 in Houston (full compliment of Zombies to choose from here...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 My CCW/Nightstand piece is a Glock 27. If something goes bump in the night I will grab it to carry on the way to one of the S-12s sitting in my safe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smiley_Guy 2 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Alarm system, S&W .38 Airweight, Flashlight, Telephone. All the heavy stuff is locked up. An AK or .308 overpenetrates WAY too much to use in a house. I don't understand you guys leaving guns all over the house. Burglers usually try to break in when your Not there. Cash, guns, and drugs is what they're looking for. When the steal your gun you not only lost it but you armed a criminal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Macbeau: Great taste man. Great effin' taste. Mine is too pretty to be kept under the bed. It has a near perfect finish, full stock, and original 7 round magazine. Used to belong to the Dep. of State in my state. I had a Chinese version (black synthetic, 5 round mag) that I kept behind the bed. That was the best $139 I've ever spent. lol It was loaded with #4 buck. Ideal for indoor work - according to someone with experience. Loved that gun to pieces. I gave it to my last GF as a house-warming gift when she moved into her own place. Now *that* is love, gentlemen. She'd not liked having it behind my bed when she stayed the night in the past, but by the time she moved it gave her a sense of comfort to know it was there. Now, I keep my Romy 74 with ten round magazine at the foot of the bed. There's also my Baby Eagle (earned the nick-name: 'Tex' shooting 6 inch groups at 75 yards with it - not from a rest), 40 S&W loaded with 11 Federal 165grn Hydrashoks. It lives in my underwear drawer. lol I'd actually like to get another of those Chinese M37's, or perhaps a Win 97 replica for bed-side duty. The sound of the slide on that is... incomparable. I like my 37 too much though... I also keep the doors locked and a cell phone - on it's charger - next to my bed. The only thing I'm missing so far is a flashlight.... That shall be remedied soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crow 2 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 This asshole.. If they get past him then there's two more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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