Parts count on saigas

[vjor 2]

Edited March 31, 2007 by vjor

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This needs to be pinned/stickey'ed good post

[vjor 2]

This needs to be pinned/stickey'ed good post

 

 

No way is hell is going to happen, I mean for the Mods to pinned or stickey it.

 

LOL.

Edited March 31, 2007 by vjor

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Any mod that dose not see the value in this is a silly goose

[napalm281 0]

GREAT POST!!!! I have searched for months for this exact info!!!

[vjor 2]

By the way when you guys look at the list, remember, is 10 imported parts

that means looking at the lists you can juggle the parts on your gun

until you get 10 or less imported parts, is no order just fallow

that means you don't have to have a pistol grip

on the gun but the count have to be 10 or less imported parts.

 

One way to keep the gun on original form and use large mags

is to change butt stock, hand guard, gas piston, hammer and

disconnector, that's if you like the trigger as it is on your Saiga

but the major alteration to pistol grip or regular AK form

usually gives you a better trigger that the one that comes with the

rifle .

 

 

1 butt stock

2 hand guard

3 hammer

4 disconnector

5 gas piston.

 

5 parts that can be had USA made.

 

About the butt stock and hand guard you can ask battlerifleG3 to make you

American made identical to the Saiga and about the piston, hammer and disconnector

you can buy after markets like G2, FSE and use them but leave the trigger alone

if you think of changing the trigger well it can be done, I mean grind the trigger

until looks like the one the rifle comes with and install it.

 

But is a lot of work for the same look, better be off with full conversion, but is people

that likes the original look.

 

Just two cents worth of nothing.

Edited April 7, 2007 by vjor

[csspecs 1,987]

I did my conversion with 5 US parts for a total count of 15 with 10 imported parts.

 

Pistol grip

buttstock

trigger

hammer

disconnecter

 

I want to pick up another and keep the sporter stock but set it up to use 30 round magazines.

[buckmeister 11]

LIST OF PARTS FOR YOUR POSTBAN THAT QUALIFY AS USA MADE

 

On your Saiga

you have

1 Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings

2 Barrels

3 Mounting blocks (trunions) only 1 front

4 Bolts

5 Bolt carriers

6 Gas pistons

7 Triggers

8 Hammers

9 Disconnectors

10 Buttstocks

11 Forearms, handguards

To use 20 or 30 rounds imported mags that counts as 3 more imported parts

for a total of 14 parts, you may need to install.

Saiga parts to remain

1 Receiver

2 Barrel

3 Trunion

4 Bolt

5 Bolt carrier

6 Gas piston

7 Forearm

 

Foreign parts used

8 Mag body

9 Mag follower

10 Mag floorplate

 

11 USA hammer

12 USA disconnector

13 USA trigger

14 USA buttstock

15 USA pistol grip

_______________

 

10 foreign parts (Compliant)

 

+ any number of USA made parts = Compliant

 

Did I miss anything?

 

buckmeister

[vjor 2]

LIST OF PARTS FOR YOUR POSTBAN THAT QUALIFY AS USA MADE

 

On your Saiga

you have

1 Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings

2 Barrels

3 Mounting blocks (trunions) only 1 front

4 Bolts

5 Bolt carriers

6 Gas pistons

7 Triggers

8 Hammers

9 Disconnectors

10 Buttstocks

11 Forearms, handguards

To use 20 or 30 rounds imported mags that counts as 3 more imported parts

for a total of 14 parts, you may need to install.

Saiga parts to remain

1 Receiver

2 Barrel

3 Trunion

4 Bolt

5 Bolt carrier

6 Gas piston

7 Forearm

 

Foreign parts used

8 Mag body

9 Mag follower

10 Mag floorplate

 

11 USA hammer

12 USA disconnector

13 USA trigger

14 USA buttstock

15 USA pistol grip

_______________

 

10 foreign parts (Compliant)

 

+ any number of USA made parts = Compliant

 

Did I miss anything?

 

buckmeister

 

No you did not.

[Cryptkeeper 0]

so if I'm useing 20rnd mags from FBMG(3 usa parts) all i have to do is change out 1 item on the list (like the hand guards) to a standard s 308 skeleton stack tobe legal?

Edited April 23, 2007 by Cryptkeeper

[busy_squirrel 1]

Depends how old your FBMG mags are. Older ones have an imported follower I believe, so only 2 US parts.

[Cryptkeeper 0]

ill be useing the newer mags that has a 3 count

[5Adam 0]

ill be useing the newer mags that has a 3 count

 

Sorry for the rookie question, but is converting a Saiga converting it from a "sporter" back to a "military" style rifle?

[kresk 10,063]

Sorry for the rookie question, but is converting a Saiga converting it from a "sporter" back to a "military" style rifle?

 

Main point of conversion is moving the trigger group forward and adding a pistol grip, so yes, you are changing it to more of a military style.

[Archael 0]

I've always been under the impression that regardless of how many american aprts there are in a magazine it's still 1 part.. the magazine unless they are counting the three parts of the magazine as three imported parts... which would bring the list of required parts up even higher... you dont' get compatible by adding US parts you have to replace import parts with US parts correct?

[Juggernaut 11,054]

Floor plate, body and follower.

3 parts as far as I know

[Navy87Guy 1]

I've always been under the impression that regardless of how many american aprts there are in a magazine it's still 1 part.. the magazine unless they are counting the three parts of the magazine as three imported parts... which would bring the list of required parts up even higher... you dont' get compatible by adding US parts you have to replace import parts with US parts correct?

 

No, that's incorrect.

 

Here are the 16 countable parts of an AK-47 style rifle under 18 USC 922R:

 

(1) Receiver

(2) Barrel

(3) Trunnion

(4) Muzzle attachments(flash hiders, brakes, barrel extensions, barrel nuts)*

(5) Bolt

(6) Bolt carrier

(7) Gas piston

(8) Trigger

(9) Hammer

(10) Disconnecter

(11) Buttstock

(12) Pistol grip

(13) Forearm handguards

(14) Magazine body

(15) Follower

(16) Floorplate

 

A stock Saiga sporter does not have a pistol grip (12) or a muzzle device (4), so that brings the total parts count to 14. Note that includes the three magazine parts (14, 15 and 16)

 

So if you take a foreign magazine and replace the follower and the floor plate, you get 2 US parts out of it.

 

Jim

Edited June 22, 2007 by Navy87Guy

[TTR 1]

I have a stock Saiga 12. I'm not moving the trigger forward for now and I ordered the $199.00 USA made Tromax folding stock and pistol grip. So this means I am removing the Russian butt stock. I am also removing the Russian screw on choke and installing a USA made shark brake. OK, so with using the USA made 10 round mag what else do I need to do to be compliant?

Thanks

Tom