EODContender 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I'm new to the Saiga 12. I bought it for home protection. I have the folding stock and 10rd magazine. I pulled it out tonight just to give it a look over and I noticed that the 00buck had developed a flat spot on the top of them. I store the rifle with the magazine topped off and locked in place, chamber empty. When I tried to chamber the first round, it did not want to go in and jammed. I replaced the round with a fresh one out of the box and had no problems....went in nice and smooth. How can I avoid this problem in the future while keeping the weapon ready for use in a home protection mode? Thank you all in advance for any information you may bring to the table. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I'm new to the Saiga 12. I bought it for home protection. I have the folding stock and 10rd magazine. I pulled it out tonight just to give it a look over and I noticed that the 00buck had developed a flat spot on the top of them. I store the rifle with the magazine topped off and locked in place, chamber empty. When I tried to chamber the first round, it did not want to go in and jammed. I replaced the round with a fresh one out of the box and had no problems....went in nice and smooth. How can I avoid this problem in the future while keeping the weapon ready for use in a home protection mode? Thank you all in advance for any information you may bring to the table. This has been a common problem. About the only good way I've heard is to use steel case rounds or at least have the top round a steel case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I'm new to the Saiga 12. I bought it for home protection. I have the folding stock and 10rd magazine. I pulled it out tonight just to give it a look over and I noticed that the 00buck had developed a flat spot on the top of them. I store the rifle with the magazine topped off and locked in place, chamber empty. When I tried to chamber the first round, it did not want to go in and jammed. I replaced the round with a fresh one out of the box and had no problems....went in nice and smooth. How can I avoid this problem in the future while keeping the weapon ready for use in a home protection mode? Thank you all in advance for any information you may bring to the table. A thread posted some time back suggested using either brass or steel hull cartridges at least for the first round to prevent deformation. Another suggested using a slug as a top round. Another option might be to use the manual bolt hold open device to lock the carrier back with the magazine locked into place. This would prevent plastic shell deformation, but it might compromise the spring integrity over time. My observations from reading alot of threads and articles. The earliest shotgun shells were usually metal (steel or brass). Military spec shells used to be metal case. I think that changed after World War II. Common plastic shells might be the weakest link in the AK shotgun platform. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I'm new to the Saiga 12. I bought it for home protection. I have the folding stock and 10rd magazine. I pulled it out tonight just to give it a look over and I noticed that the 00buck had developed a flat spot on the top of them. I store the rifle with the magazine topped off and locked in place, chamber empty. When I tried to chamber the first round, it did not want to go in and jammed. I replaced the round with a fresh one out of the box and had no problems....went in nice and smooth. How can I avoid this problem in the future while keeping the weapon ready for use in a home protection mode? Thank you all in advance for any information you may bring to the table. A thread posted some time back suggested using either brass or steel hull cartridges at least for the first round to prevent deformation. Another suggested using a slug as a top round. Another option might be to use the manual bolt hold open device to lock the carrier back with the magazine locked into place. This would prevent plastic shell deformation, but it might compromise the spring integrity over time. My observations from reading alot of threads and articles. The earliest shotgun shells were usually metal (steel or brass). Military spec shells used to be metal case. I think that changed after World War II. Common plastic shells might be the weakest link in the AK shotgun platform. another popular concensus is to use factory 5 or 8 round mag... unless you live in a high zombie populus do ya need 10 ronds for home def? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EODContender 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Thank you very much, I will try these suggestions. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Try Remington Express buckshot. The plastic shot cup is pretty stiff and I store my Saiga with a full mag and the bolt closed for months without any deformation problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I lock it back on a safety lever notch. I usually shoot it about every 2 weeks, so I'm not too concerned about compressing the spring over time. Can't you replace one of those springs w/ a .45 spring anyhow? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatmanual 44 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 (edited) Funny you mention that... I was just at the gun store yesterday and came across some of those .45 replacement springs (in the baggy types) while looking at other items. Amazingly, they do look very very close to length and strength. I might just take my springs down there buy a couple of them if they're the same size (what the heck -I do that sort of thing) and swap them out to just to check the action. I suspect they would be weaker though. I'll have to compare the S12 spring to that of my RPK and AK74. Those would probably be less expensive alternatives though (+sizing/cutting) -IF they have the same specs that is. But, I believe the S12 spring is supposed to be "stronger". Buying factory replacements would be the best course to do anyway. After all, I can't remember the last time I had an "AK" of any caliber having spring issues. Replacing it would be a rare case I think. Interesting thought though. Edited April 3, 2007 by whatmanual Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 That used to be a common fix for S-12's that wouldn't cycle light rounds. May decrease recoil too, or maybe it would make the bolt smack the receiver harder, not sure. Any old timers remember people doing this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soon 0 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I'm new to the Saiga 12. I bought it for home protection. I have the folding stock and 10rd magazine. I pulled it out tonight just to give it a look over and I noticed that the 00buck had developed a flat spot on the top of them. I store the rifle with the magazine topped off and locked in place, chamber empty. When I tried to chamber the first round, it did not want to go in and jammed. I replaced the round with a fresh one out of the box and had no problems....went in nice and smooth. How can I avoid this problem in the future while keeping the weapon ready for use in a home protection mode? Thank you all in advance for any information you may bring to the table. Hang that puppy over the door in the master bedroom with you favorite pistol and the second one over the door in your closet with an extra pistol. also sleep with a pair of 38's, 44's or 45's............. Soon............as in your rasie will not be soon................. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 the gun goes NEXT TO the front door, the bat OVER the door, with the handle hung pointing tword doorknob side of the door.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KyleWeiss 0 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 another popular concensus is to use factory 5 or 8 round mag... unless you live in a high zombie populus do ya need 10 ronds for home def? Well, maybe some of us live next to graveyards, which we'd be the first line of defense, after all. Does keeping a slug in the top round work well with the 10-round magazine, or do these not feed properly after a while as well? Is it relevant if the magazine is in the shotgun or not? KW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KU_MechE 0 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I don't keep the clip in the gun since i've gotten good at loading on a closed bolt, but i do keep the 5 rounder full. My question: has anyone experienced problems with ruining the spring if the clip is kept full? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 oh no, you said clip. hahah. yer in for it now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KU_MechE 0 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 oh no, you said clip. hahah. yer in for it now. yea, i meant mag...its late sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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