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You can't use a vertical foregrip (essential for good control and scores in legitimate IPSC/IDPA sports) with this bulky and awkward, and fatal to the S-12, political landmine. Even using a standard foregrip, the damn thing will hit your forearm constantly. Enjoy, folks. It's all gone now anyway.

 

Sure about that? I shoot vertical griped AK's with 75rd drums and AR's with a Beta mag with no problem.Mikes drum isnt much bigger than a 75rd AK drum.

 

good news then... glad to hear that

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You can't use a vertical foregrip

BS (#1)

(essential for good control and scores in legitimate IPSC/IDPA sports)

BS(#2)

.... Even using a standard foregrip, the damn thing will hit your forearm constantly.

BS(#3)

.... It's all gone now anyway.

BS(#4)

 

 

See my comments for my unasked for opinions on this post ...explanations are below.

BS#1

Only drum that is awkward (in my experience) is the MWG-90 (AR mag). And it can still be shot fine, just some shooting positions get a little dicey. The Beta's, 75 rnd chinese drum and 100 rnd chinese drum are all fine. If you are talking the Length of the drum, then the 8's and 10's are at least as long, and likely longer.

BS#2

RonSwin and MickPorno are the only local shooters that I know that use them, and they ALWAYS finish behind me .... J/K. Really, SG scores are driven by reload times. Nationally, very few top shooters use the VFG's on AR's, and NO ONE uses it on a shotgun.

BS#3

See the videos that have been posted ...

BS#4

ATF has a letter to WM dudes (Mike, have you asked the ATF for a copy?). The ATF could do a lot of things including changing thier ruling. They could focus on the drum and ignore the shotgun. They could require alterations so that the drum/shotgun combo is unique and regulated.

I'm not going to focus on what they might do in the future.

Think about this .... If they decided to regulate the drum, and if they grandfathered in the current owners .... wouldn't all who purchase the drum now look pretty smart???

 

But I did agree with the "Enjoy, folks." comment :)

 

All this is IMHO, YMMV, and copywrited.

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ATF has a letter to WM dudes (Mike, have you asked the ATF for a copy?). The ATF could do a lot of things including changing thier ruling. They could focus on the drum and ignore the shotgun. They could require alterations so that the drum/shotgun combo is unique and regulated.

I'm not going to focus on what they might do in the future.

Think about this .... If they decided to regulate the drum, and if they grandfathered in the current owners .... wouldn't all who purchase the drum now look pretty smart???

 

But I did agree with the "Enjoy, folks." comment :)

 

All this is IMHO, YMMV, and copywrited.

 

A letter has not been posted by WM because it probably states that they can legally make and sell their drums, but that does not mean that using their drum will not in itself cause a reclassification

of the S-12. I really think they are avoiding this issue with good reason.

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Enjoy, folks. It's all gone now anyway.

 

 

will you shut the FUCK UP already? jesus. ive had enough of your bullshit. YOU ARENT GOING TO STOP THE PRODUCTION OF THE DRUMS, LET IT FUCKING GO.

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You can't use a vertical foregrip (essential for good control and scores in legitimate IPSC/IDPA sports) with this bulky and awkward, and fatal to the S-12, political landmine. Even using a standard foregrip, the damn thing will hit your forearm constantly. Enjoy, folks. It's all gone now anyway.

 

why in the hell would the ATF do anything when the CRATS are working their bigger evil voodoo on all guns...

it would be a waste of their time and they can let the crats take all the blame

just a theory

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:rolleyes:

 

deadhorse.gif

 

*sighs*

 

So Mike, any news to report?

 

KW

 

Damn ya'll WTF! I wish people would fucking learn to start at the BEGINNING of threads! It would eliminate LOTS of bullshit around here! GEEZ!!!

I know the damned thread is TWELVE FUCKING PAGES LONG but at least go back and read the VERY FIRST POST in EVERY thread! People starting shit and others feeding it is why this thread is so damned long!

 

Here...allow me...

 

First three lines from post #1 of this thread.

 

"First off I want to thank Makc and the forum.

 

Second, this thread is for technically questions and such... I hope that neither the supporters or opposers will stray this thread. Maybe another thread can support the debate. Please don't state threats and such here."

 

:rolleyes:

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I think our friend Mike has gone underground. I sent him a PM days ago and it hasn't been answered.

 

This same kind of bullshit is the very reason why Kevin quit posting on our forum. :chris:

 

Its the reason almost every new company with a specialized item quit or slowed way down posting!

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I think our friend Mike has gone underground. I sent him a PM days ago and it hasn't been answered.

 

This same kind of bullshit is the very reason why Kevin quit posting on our forum. :chris:

 

 

 

Cobra when Kevin was working on his ten round mag he didn't have any competition. Mike currently has Wraithmaker to deal with.

 

 

If Mike disappears people will believe that he gave up on his drum, and will turn to buying the Wraithmaker drums.

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I think he will be back (hope).Hes likely just run himself ragged with the whole drum deal and also operating his buisness,you can only go so long with that much stress before you need a time out(been there done that).Im sure he would post or contact someone here eventualy if it was a no go.

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I think he will be back (hope).Hes likely just run himself ragged with the whole drum deal and also operating his buisness,you can only go so long with that much stress before you need a time out(been there done that).Im sure he would post or contact someone here eventualy if it was a no go.

 

his workload must be huge... every spring

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I haven't gone underground and nobody has been pestering me. I have been super busy and on top of that my computer went down around 10 days ago or so. Everything is going well on the drum. There is no way in hell ( short of death) I am not completing this project. I know I have a lot of unanswered questions and pm's and I'm sorry. I don't have time to answer and comment right now. I hope to get my computer fixed this coming week and I will get current with everyone on questions and pm's. Very sorry to leave you hanging. Don't give up on me, I"M NOT GOING ANYWHERE! :super:

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don't let "the man" get ya down

 

yoo hoo... are you still out there mike

REPORT SOLDIER

kidding... at least tell us you are still alive

He can't report, I just banned him again...lol!

It's ok he won't notice. He's too busy to even check his PMs.

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