mccumber1916 1 Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 You can't use a vertical foregrip (essential for good control and scores in legitimate IPSC/IDPA sports) with this bulky and awkward, and fatal to the S-12, political landmine. Even using a standard foregrip, the damn thing will hit your forearm constantly. Enjoy, folks. It's all gone now anyway. Sure about that? I shoot vertical griped AK's with 75rd drums and AR's with a Beta mag with no problem.Mikes drum isnt much bigger than a 75rd AK drum. good news then... glad to hear that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) You can't use a vertical foregrip BS (#1) (essential for good control and scores in legitimate IPSC/IDPA sports) BS(#2) .... Even using a standard foregrip, the damn thing will hit your forearm constantly. BS(#3) .... It's all gone now anyway. BS(#4) See my comments for my unasked for opinions on this post ...explanations are below. BS#1 Only drum that is awkward (in my experience) is the MWG-90 (AR mag). And it can still be shot fine, just some shooting positions get a little dicey. The Beta's, 75 rnd chinese drum and 100 rnd chinese drum are all fine. If you are talking the Length of the drum, then the 8's and 10's are at least as long, and likely longer. BS#2 RonSwin and MickPorno are the only local shooters that I know that use them, and they ALWAYS finish behind me .... J/K. Really, SG scores are driven by reload times. Nationally, very few top shooters use the VFG's on AR's, and NO ONE uses it on a shotgun. BS#3 See the videos that have been posted ... BS#4 ATF has a letter to WM dudes (Mike, have you asked the ATF for a copy?). The ATF could do a lot of things including changing thier ruling. They could focus on the drum and ignore the shotgun. They could require alterations so that the drum/shotgun combo is unique and regulated. I'm not going to focus on what they might do in the future. Think about this .... If they decided to regulate the drum, and if they grandfathered in the current owners .... wouldn't all who purchase the drum now look pretty smart??? But I did agree with the "Enjoy, folks." comment All this is IMHO, YMMV, and copywrited. Edited May 15, 2007 by kmoore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 ATF has a letter to WM dudes (Mike, have you asked the ATF for a copy?). The ATF could do a lot of things including changing thier ruling. They could focus on the drum and ignore the shotgun. They could require alterations so that the drum/shotgun combo is unique and regulated. I'm not going to focus on what they might do in the future. Think about this .... If they decided to regulate the drum, and if they grandfathered in the current owners .... wouldn't all who purchase the drum now look pretty smart??? But I did agree with the "Enjoy, folks." comment All this is IMHO, YMMV, and copywrited. A letter has not been posted by WM because it probably states that they can legally make and sell their drums, but that does not mean that using their drum will not in itself cause a reclassification of the S-12. I really think they are avoiding this issue with good reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaak 0 Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) Enjoy, folks. It's all gone now anyway. will you shut the FUCK UP already? jesus. ive had enough of your bullshit. YOU ARENT GOING TO STOP THE PRODUCTION OF THE DRUMS, LET IT FUCKING GO. Edited May 15, 2007 by jaak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 You can't use a vertical foregrip (essential for good control and scores in legitimate IPSC/IDPA sports) with this bulky and awkward, and fatal to the S-12, political landmine. Even using a standard foregrip, the damn thing will hit your forearm constantly. Enjoy, folks. It's all gone now anyway. why in the hell would the ATF do anything when the CRATS are working their bigger evil voodoo on all guns... it would be a waste of their time and they can let the crats take all the blame just a theory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SgtRock 0 Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) I think you nailed it. Why should they waste their time and money when the Demoncrats are going to do it for them. Edited May 15, 2007 by SgtRock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KyleWeiss 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 *sighs* So Mike, any news to report? KW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull 0 Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Its pretty corny but you could call it a "Gamma Mag" as a cheezy rip off of the Beta Mag. Nah. The Davidson Omega. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 *sighs* So Mike, any news to report? KW Damn ya'll WTF! I wish people would fucking learn to start at the BEGINNING of threads! It would eliminate LOTS of bullshit around here! GEEZ!!! I know the damned thread is TWELVE FUCKING PAGES LONG but at least go back and read the VERY FIRST POST in EVERY thread! People starting shit and others feeding it is why this thread is so damned long! Here...allow me... First three lines from post #1 of this thread. "First off I want to thank Makc and the forum. Second, this thread is for technically questions and such... I hope that neither the supporters or opposers will stray this thread. Maybe another thread can support the debate. Please don't state threats and such here." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think our friend Mike has gone underground. I sent him a PM days ago and it hasn't been answered. This same kind of bullshit is the very reason why Kevin quit posting on our forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think our friend Mike has gone underground. I sent him a PM days ago and it hasn't been answered. This same kind of bullshit is the very reason why Kevin quit posting on our forum. Its the reason almost every new company with a specialized item quit or slowed way down posting! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
v188 5 Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Mike, What's going on??? It's been ten days without any updates. Anything to help us keep up our MD20 fix??? Keep up the work and update us when you can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TacticalResponse 0 Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 I think our friend Mike has gone underground. I sent him a PM days ago and it hasn't been answered. This same kind of bullshit is the very reason why Kevin quit posting on our forum. Cobra when Kevin was working on his ten round mag he didn't have any competition. Mike currently has Wraithmaker to deal with. If Mike disappears people will believe that he gave up on his drum, and will turn to buying the Wraithmaker drums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I think he will be back (hope).Hes likely just run himself ragged with the whole drum deal and also operating his buisness,you can only go so long with that much stress before you need a time out(been there done that).Im sure he would post or contact someone here eventualy if it was a no go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I think he will be back (hope).Hes likely just run himself ragged with the whole drum deal and also operating his buisness,you can only go so long with that much stress before you need a time out(been there done that).Im sure he would post or contact someone here eventualy if it was a no go. his workload must be huge... every spring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Mike, the board is full of good folks patiently waiting for your product. So I thought I would offer you an encouraging Latin word - Nill illigitimi carborundum - Do not let the bastards get you down. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KyleWeiss 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 ...or he's making a belt-fed system.... KW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted May 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I haven't gone underground and nobody has been pestering me. I have been super busy and on top of that my computer went down around 10 days ago or so. Everything is going well on the drum. There is no way in hell ( short of death) I am not completing this project. I know I have a lot of unanswered questions and pm's and I'm sorry. I don't have time to answer and comment right now. I hope to get my computer fixed this coming week and I will get current with everyone on questions and pm's. Very sorry to leave you hanging. Don't give up on me, I"M NOT GOING ANYWHERE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted May 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Even if I get killed at work or something it is in place for my family to carry this through. Talk to you all soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KyleWeiss 0 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Even if I get killed at work or something it is in place for my family to carry this through. Talk to you all soon. Now THAT'S dedication! KW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Even if I get killed at work or something it is in place for my family to carry this through. Talk to you all soon. even if you get whacked by the feds?... I AM KIDDING glad you are ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KyleWeiss 0 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Yeah, Vinnie the Club and Bruiser Bruno are being hired by the ATF now... Heh. KW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Yeah, Vinnie the Club and Bruiser Bruno are being hired by the ATF now... Heh. KW So that is where that 6" Tromix was going to Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macgyverhk 3 Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 I still want one despite the grave danger Mike is fighting off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 don't let "the man" get ya down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 don't let "the man" get ya down yoo hoo... are you still out there mike REPORT SOLDIER kidding... at least tell us you are still alive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 don't let "the man" get ya down yoo hoo... are you still out there mike REPORT SOLDIER kidding... at least tell us you are still alive He can't report, I just banned him again...lol! It's ok he won't notice. He's too busy to even check his PMs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vangcomper 0 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 You're joking, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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