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#1 BattleRifleG3

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Posted 17 May 2007 - 01:35 PM

I understand that Tromix is stacked very high with orders and isn't taking new ones until September. Congratulations on being the most popular Saiga conversion smith around!

What I'm most interested in is the anticipated offering of a Saiga-410 conversion to 444 Marlin. I know that the opportunity was offered for a guinea pig to do it at material cost only, and I wasn't in a position to consider it. But when/if the conversion is developed and proven by Tony's initiative when it fits his schedule, I'm interested.

Three questions:
1.) When would Tony begin doing these conversions? I'm guessing no sooner than early 2008.
2.) What would pricing look like? I understand that barrel blanks are pretty expensive, but would it be possible to consider using take-off levergun barrels as a cost saving option? At one point Marlin barrels were about $45 at Numrich.
3.) Besides the barrel, what key changes would be involved? I'm assuming that some sort of rifle sites would be standard, either at the muzzle or on the gas block. Would it need a new gas block as well, and if so, would it be Tromix made or military surplus? Standard length gas tube? Standard length furniture?

My ideal 444 conversion would have a long barrel (say 20-24") without a muzzle brake, a muzzle mounted front site, and a classic (non-conversion) buttstock with a matching handguard.
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Posted 17 May 2007 - 02:27 PM

Tony has been talking about taking the weekend off to build the prototype. My guess is, sometime within the next month he will.
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Posted 17 May 2007 - 03:23 PM

That is rockin good news! Seems like thats about the only saigas you can easily aquire right now anyway. Hey Bob, I remember a price given, like $750 or something. Do you know if that was a complete rifle or work on a supplied gun? I know the barrel alone was about $250 or so.

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Posted 17 May 2007 - 03:37 PM

Yeah Tony originally said 750, but you never know until you build it.
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Posted 25 May 2007 - 08:08 AM

Here it is, ready to test fire. If all goes well, it will be cleaned up and refinished shortly thereafter.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 01:52 PM

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 02:34 PM

Yes. The only mods were the replacement barrel and slight modification to the extractor.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 03:19 PM

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 07:40 PM

:wub: :wub:

How many $$$$?

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 07:46 PM

Beautiful!
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Posted 25 May 2007 - 08:53 PM

Are you going to change the markings or at least cover up the .410 markings? I assume that it is illegal to sell a firearm with the wrong caliber markings.
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Posted 27 May 2007 - 11:03 PM

I wouldn't screw with the caliber markings, but I assume you can always add more.
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 08:39 AM

Looks very good.

Would you consider doing one in a factory configuration (non pistol gripped)? It would be a perfect hog / black bear gun!
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 12:34 PM

That's teh config I would go for too, and I believe Tony previously said that would be fine.
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 03:24 PM

so its official. not only do i need my s12 short barreled and a tromix .458 socom ak rifle but now i gotta buy a .410 as well and have this .444 marlin conversion done on it.

DAMN YOU TONY!!!!!!

can i just have my payroll checks direct deposited into your account?

in all seriousness excellent work. thank you for providing saiga owners with "options" :devil:

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 04:45 PM

It would not be problem to leave the gun in the sporter configuration and just convert it to 444.

I need to thoroughly test this gun, and then build another one before I can quote any firm pricing.

A rough estimate would be $550 to convert a customer's Saiga 410 to 444 Marlin, provided testing reveals no unforeseen problems.....which is unlikely.

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 10:04 PM

Hey Tony,

Nice job! You're really pushing the creative edge on your conversions.

Mind sharing what the butt stock is on this one?

I know I've seen it before, but can't place it.

Is it an import?

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 11:06 PM

Hey Tony,

Nice job! You're really pushing the creative edge on your conversions.

Mind sharing what the butt stock is on this one?

I know I've seen it before, but can't place it.

Is it an import?

It's a Tromix/Lage stock.
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 05:18 PM

WELL FDUK ME !!!! That looks positively AWSOME!!!!! Tony PLEASE let us Know how it goes, I would definitely be interested in that and I can get a S410 cheap from gunboy........and so the $550 would be a conversion with the gun remaining in stock config??
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 07:08 PM

WELL FDUK ME !!!! That looks positively AWSOME!!!!! Tony PLEASE let us Know how it goes, I would definitely be interested in that and I can get a S410 cheap from gunboy........and so the $550 would be a conversion with the gun remaining in stock config??



When this came up beforeTony's price included p-grip conversion. I can't wait. Back on the hunt for a .410.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:35 AM

If that $$ includes a PG conversion-WWOOOO HOOOO!!!!
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:00 PM

Holy crap.

That's frikkin' impressive. I mean, I really can't even begin to describe how awesome this concept is.

Any limitations on ammo?
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:08 PM

The $550 estimate does not include a pistol grip conversion.

Keep in mind guys, the Pac-Nor barrel blank costs $200 alone.

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 01:44 PM

That's certainly a fair price. Hate to be a pain, but are take-off levergun barrels a possibility at all, say if it's buyer supplied?

On the flip side, I'm sure a Tromix turned blank will give accuracy to be reckoned with.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 04:56 PM

Hey tony, I have another?? I have been looking and reading,etc and it seems the .444 is going to be 'obsoleted ' sometime in the near future.. What other rounds could work with minimal conversion work if this were to happen, in your opinion?

Here is another more important one due to where I live- IF I get to the point of wanting a caliber conversion done and I still live in the PRK, CAN the receiver be remarked as .444 or other RIFLE caliber or would it have to remain a shottie.I ask because as a rifle I can get it here no prob in normal config, IF it has to remain a shottie, I have to fix the magazine(WHAT effed up stupid laws). ??

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 06:10 PM

I already discussed that with the ATF. The gun will be a Tromix manufactured rifle, period.

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 06:17 PM

tony, would you like this topic moved into your business section??

topics like these should really be opened in tony's business section. I THINK that members can start topics in his section. I guess I should check that huh?
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Posted 09 June 2007 - 12:14 AM

Will the gas regulator work on this conversion. Would be nice to have some low power ammo that will cycle the action, then change the setting and shoot some full power ammo.

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 05:00 AM

If I continue to use the original gas block, then yes, the unit would still have the two position gas regulator in it. However, that barrel is awefully skinny, and I planned to make a heavier barrel using an RPK gas block on subsequent builds. That would do away with the gas regulator. The AK gas system is pretty forgiving anyway, so I think it would probably cycle with a variety of loads anyway.

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 11:10 AM

OK, thanks. Answers that question. Sorry to ask again as I have not been able to find a definite answer for this next one. What rate of twist are you using for the barrels?




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