BlackDog 1 Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 (edited) for a few weeks now I have had duct tape wrapped around the end of the support bolt handle thing to keep the ejected brass from getting the infamous AK dent. It works OK, but looks like crap. Some of the brass still dents, some doesn't?? So tonight I finally put on a thick piece of fuel line and I will go see how it works tomorrow. The hose fit on real tight, but I sprayed some hair spray inside the hose anyways to help secure it. Edited June 23, 2007 by BlackDog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 there is this stuff, that is liquid rubber in a bottle. it is meant for dipping screwdriver handles into for gripping. I bet you could paint it on in a couple coats on the dust cover edge, and dip the charging handle in it a few times to rubberise them......... Id have to think you could do it, havent tried that application yet, myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDog 1 Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 (edited) Since I found the 50 grain bullets have some accuracy, I have some renewed interest in shooting my Saiga with reloads instead of the Brown Bear I was using. I was feeding empty brass thru it last night and realized that it get smashed into the cover instead. What I can't understand is that sometimes the brass has a dent and sometimes it doesn't. I was thinking I can mount a block of some sort on the outside of the reciver and screw it from the inside to secure it. Edited June 23, 2007 by BlackDog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgillaspy 24 Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Check out this thread: Valmet Ejection Buffer works great! A clip-on buffer that prevents case damage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Yeah, the valmet buffer does work. Unfortunately I sent it to blackjack and he was unable to create his own version. Perhaps we should contact annother vendor to see if they will be interested in producing one. The other problem with the .223 however is that besides the dent in the middle from the ejection cover, they also put a "ring" arround the primer pocket. I didn't notice it until recently, but the bolt face has a raised ring which I guess helps seal off the primer- it seems over kill. Mine has that ring on the bolt face and so the brass I've recovered all has like an extra crimp arround the primer. Somone filed that ring off of his bolt face... said it worked but I am reluctant to try it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDog 1 Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Out of the 30 rounds I shot off today, only 5 got the saiga dent into them???? 3 of them got very small dents?? I am wondering if it was because they were mild .223 recipe reloads versus hot 5.56 rounds? I don't know. I ground the bolt face dimple down till it was flush with the outer portion of the face with a dremel tool and a small bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I posed this in another thread, how about using some of the plastic edge liner that is found on car/truck doors/fenders like this: http://specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/ima...r-edge-trim.jpg or http://www.care4car.com/productimages/1697...gh%20200pix.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gandalf 0 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I posed this in another thread, how about using some of the plastic edge liner that is found on car/truck doors/fenders like this: http://specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/ima...r-edge-trim.jpg or http://www.care4car.com/productimages/1697...gh%20200pix.jpg If the edge liner fits right without interfering with the bolt carrier it looks like it would be a good idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I picked some up for $2, and it fits with no interference, I need, not want, to try it out though.... LOL Just picked up some UMC .223 to try it with... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildog1122 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Do you think maybe cut 1/2" to 1" back to the same shape on the receiver cover will solve the problem? has anyone try it yet? anyone dare to try? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 sounds like a fix to a non existent problem. The dents do not hurt anything, just unsightly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildog1122 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Not if you're into reloading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) Not if you're into reloading. I have reloaded 1000s of 5.56 with ejection dents and grooves from fluted chambers with no problems. Edited July 18, 2007 by Banshee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildog1122 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 So you are saying you would shoot the reloading cartridge with a dent in it. Do you reload the same cartridge with multiple dents? I don't know about you but I would rather have no dents on my cartridge when it come to reloading. The brass for my .223, I reload them around 7-9 times before I throw them away. If you're ok with 7-9 dents on your brass when you reload, good luck on safety........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 So you are saying you would shoot the reloading cartridge with a dent in it. Do you reload the same cartridge with multiple dents? I don't know about you but I would rather have no dents on my cartridge when it come to reloading. The brass for my .223, I reload them around 7-9 times before I throw them away. If you're ok with 7-9 dents on your brass when you reload, good luck on safety........ no, you will not have multiple dents. the firing blows out the dent. Have you ever heard of Fire forming cases? Almost all Ackley Improved cases are fire formed to shape the shoulders. I am not saying that ALL damaged brass is usable, but most ejection dents will blow out to fit the chamber with no problems. You still have to inspect it, just as you always do.Will it shorten brass life? You may lose one or two reloading from it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 If theres a simple/cheap solution to the dents, its a least worth exploring. Not everyone knows the dents aren't a problem for reloading. Even if you don't reload yourself, somone at your range probably does- and might pass up reusuable brass not knowing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I apologize for not posting any results of the trim, I've had family members from Canada visiting, 2 birthday parties and an Anniversary.. LOL.. on top of that I'm doing half day training at work all the while... I will try the door trim test ASAP... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 for a few weeks now I have had duct tape wrapped around the end of the support bolt handle thing to keep the ejected brass from getting the infamous AK dent. It works OK, but looks like crap. Some of the brass still dents, some doesn't?? So tonight I finally put on a thick piece of fuel line and I will go see how it works tomorrow. The hose fit on real tight, but I sprayed some hair spray inside the hose anyways to help secure it. Here is what I did and it works well, The bolt handle has a clear plastic open ended cap on it. You put it on like you used to have to put your handlebar grips on your bicycle when you were a kid, remember? Tight fit. I got this idea from ARSENAL, the couple arsenals i have all came with a plastic/rubber closed end cap on the bolt handle it looks good and feels good too. I also went to Lowes and got some lamp pads. These are 15-17mm thick black rigid foam adhesive pads that are 3x6 in. Cut a strip put it on the receiver cover and your done. It does not look bad at all and it comes on and off easily with no mess and one pad will work for about 50 guns. Cost? $3-5 bucks. Not a Valmet buffer but works, is disposable and cost is a fraction of the valmet buffer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgillaspy 24 Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 for a few weeks now I have had duct tape wrapped around the end of the support bolt handle thing to keep the ejected brass from getting the infamous AK dent. It works OK, but looks like crap. Some of the brass still dents, some doesn't?? So tonight I finally put on a thick piece of fuel line and I will go see how it works tomorrow. The hose fit on real tight, but I sprayed some hair spray inside the hose anyways to help secure it. Here is what I did and it works well, The bolt handle has a clear plastic open ended cap on it. You put it on like you used to have to put your handlebar grips on your bicycle when you were a kid, remember? Tight fit. I got this idea from ARSENAL, the couple arsenals i have all came with a plastic/rubber closed end cap on the bolt handle it looks good and feels good too. I also went to Lowes and got some lamp pads. These are 15-17mm thick black rigid foam adhesive pads that are 3x6 in. Cut a strip put it on the receiver cover and your done. It does not look bad at all and it comes on and off easily with no mess and one pad will work for about 50 guns. Cost? $3-5 bucks. Not a Valmet buffer but works, is disposable and cost is a fraction of the valmet buffer. Please, could you post a picture? I'm "descriptively challenged!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 (edited) Here ya go, $2.00 + tax at Walmart... Seriously, my buddies and I shot 250 rounds through my Saiga at his farm, you should see the Helium tank we shot up.. LOL The Brass has a slight rub mark, I can't get my camera to focus properly on Macro, but there is no dent at all. Here are some photos of how to set it up, it did however ding a few case necks but not many... We also used a LMS lowered AR15 too, you know just to see how the other guys do.. lol Edited July 30, 2007 by MD_Willington Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Falcon66 1 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 The previous post mentioned a ghost ring using a washer. Can anyone elaborate on where this would be mounted? I've done this on an SKS by epoxying a washer to the rear leaf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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