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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:20 AM

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My Saiga is set up exactly like the one pictured. I've filled the mag catch, installed a feed ramp and installed a G2 FCG. Problem is, I only have one US made mag (that I bought just for 922 stupidity). I would like to use the many Russian and Romanian mags I already have.

To use foreign made mags, exactly how many more US parts do I need? I'm not interested in moving the FCG and replacing the stock with a PG and standard stock, so that's out.

Basically, what I'm asking is this:

What was done to that gun in the pic to make it legal with that Soviet Block mag?


I'm thinking it's not even compliant. It's just a picture from Auction Arms, and everyone knows how many people are selling non-922r-compliant rifles.

You say you've got the G2 installed, but haven't moved the FCG forward, right? So I'm assuming you got the G2 from Dinzag, for unmodified Saigas. If that's the case, you're only getting 2 US parts out of it (1 of the factory FCG components is still used with the G2 for unmodified Saigas. Check Dinzag's site.)

So that means you'd still need 2 more US made parts to replace current foreign parts to legally use foreign-made "hi-caps". One way would be to replace you're gas piston with a US made one. Then replace your factory front hand guard for a US made one.

Or another way, which I wouldn't really recommend, would be to do one of the things I just said and then swap out the floor plates on your mags for US made ones. You'd be compliant, but I prefer not to depend on mag parts for compliance, but that's just me though.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:00 PM

Yep, I'm only using two parts of the FCG. I didn't want to move the FCG and screw it up. I'm no gunsmith, and I didn't feel like having my rifle "out to the shop" for a month or more. And I like the factory skeleton stock.

It's not an issue now, because I am using a US mag. I've looked into changing the gas piston, think I'll go with that. Who makes the US front handguards?

I just find it annoying to have 20 mags for my AK, but only one for the Saiga. Plus, the one US mag I have is the horrible ProMag. Jams about every 10th shot.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:17 PM

Yep, I'm only using two parts of the FCG. I didn't want to move the FCG and screw it up. I'm no gunsmith, and I didn't feel like having my rifle "out to the shop" for a month or more. And I like the factory skeleton stock.

It's not an issue now, because I am using a US mag. I've looked into changing the gas piston, think I'll go with that. Who makes the US front handguards?

I just find it annoying to have 20 mags for my AK, but only one for the Saiga. Plus, the one US mag I have is the horrible ProMag. Jams about every 10th shot.


I'm no gunsmith either, trust me. When I joined this site, I had only been into guns/shooting for a short while, and only had one gun; a .22 rifle. I thought I'd mess up my Saiga too, by attempting the conversion. But it came out great, and was a hell of a lot easier than I thought it would be (see my sigline picture for the end result). Just something to think about, if you do ever want to convert it.

Anyway, you can get US made handguards from lots of places. You'll need a regular AK gas tube, and a lower hand guard retainer to use them though (both can be found at Dinzags site). Or you could get the Tapco Saiga Galil hand guard, for an easy swap.

If you do decide to swap out the gas piston, you'll still need to swap out 1 more part, for a US made one.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 05:25 PM

Eh, I don't really want to change the look of the rifle. I thought you ment someone makes a US hand guard that looks like the Saiga one.

I didn't want to use Mag parts for 922 either, but I think I'll change the piston and get some Tapco followers and make BHO mags.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 01:23 AM

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"You have a Saiga-7.62x39 and want to use high capacity magazines. Since high capacity magazines are considered “unsporting”, and would be in violation of 922®. Your rifle with mag has 14 parts. Use U.S. made mags and one additional U.S. made part like a gas piston and you are good to go."


This is assuming you do the full conversion and swap out the stock and trigger as well. Because by my count the magazine and the gas piston equals two US made parts 14-2=12. You still need two US made parts to become compliant. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:10 PM

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"You have a Saiga-7.62x39 and want to use high capacity magazines. Since high capacity magazines are considered “unsporting”, and would be in violation of 922®. Your rifle with mag has 14 parts. Use U.S. made mags and one additional U.S. made part like a gas piston and you are good to go."


This is assuming you do the full conversion and swap out the stock and trigger as well. Because by my count the magazine and the gas piston equals two US made parts 14-2=12. You still need two US made parts to become compliant. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



The US magazine counts as THREE parts. Body, Floorplate, and follower. A US mag gets you 3 parts. Crazy, I know. But that's 922 for ya. You can replace the follower in a Russian mag with a US made follower and get one more part,and still use the foreign mags, like I did.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:28 PM

There are still some questionable parts and grey areas of the 922® law, specifically the part that states "particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes". Arguably, as long as you have the 10-round magazine in your immediate possession, it is "readily adaptable" for sporting purposes. A 10-second magazine swap makes it sporting legal, and it would be very hard for them to argue against that or prosecute given the wording of the law, as even a judge could see it. It's one of those funny things. If you replaced 1 internal part, you can be 100% safe, although as I said, it would be very difficult to prosecute it either way.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 09:14 AM

I WANT TO SET UP MY SAIGA SHOTGUN JUST LIKE THE ONE IN THE PICTURE. MY QUESTION IS, HOW DID YOU HAVE THE SKELETON STOCK INSTALLED? WERE YOU ABLE TO DO IT YOURSELF OR DID YOU HAVE A GUNSMITH WORK ON IT? KEEP IN MINE, I'M NOT VERY GUN SAVVY.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 04:16 PM

I WANT TO SET UP MY SAIGA SHOTGUN JUST LIKE THE ONE IN THE PICTURE. MY QUESTION IS, HOW DID YOU HAVE THE SKELETON STOCK INSTALLED? WERE YOU ABLE TO DO IT YOURSELF OR DID YOU HAVE A GUNSMITH WORK ON IT? KEEP IN MINE, I'M NOT VERY GUN SAVVY.


That skeleton stock is a factory piece. It's a drop-in replacement. If you can take out a couple screws, you can install that stock.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:09 PM

I just wanted to say if anyone is in doubt about 922r replace as many counted parts with US made parts as you can. 922r is up for interpretation by the ATF, they may read it one way and we may read it another. I have contacted the local ATF several times about 5 years ago and got different answers each time. What it boils down to is in court we will loose and the ATF will win. I typically do the Tapco G2 (3 parts) and Tapco hand guard and stock (2 parts) plus a pistol grip and a Tromix muzzle brake (1 part). Thats 6 parts out of 14. The Tromix gas piston is another great option as well plus with the AGP mags (3 parts). It's better to spend some money than be non compliant with the ATF. I am sure court costs and fines plus the loss of your rifle will be much more expensive.

Edited by ripper1, 07 October 2008 - 10:24 AM.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 03:56 AM

I just wanted to say if anyone is in doubt about 922r just put as many USA parts on as you can.


While I (and many others) know what you mean, I'd reword that to say "Replace as many counted parts with US made parts". There's been quite a few people come here, and assume just adding US made parts helps them. It doesn't. You need to replace parts with US made ones (that are "counted" on the list).

You also get a lot of people who think every part on a Saiga has to do with compliance. Asking if certain scopes, scope mounts, VFG's, etc., will help them gain compliance.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 10:23 AM

I just wanted to say if anyone is in doubt about 922r just put as many USA parts on as you can.


While I (and many others) know what you mean, I'd reword that to say "Replace as many counted parts with US made parts". There's been quite a few people come here, and assume just adding US made parts helps them. It doesn't. You need to replace parts with US made ones (that are "counted" on the list).

You also get a lot of people who think every part on a Saiga has to do with compliance. Asking if certain scopes, scope mounts, VFG's, etc., will help them gain compliance.

Very True. Plus not everyone wants to move the trigger assembly forward. I listed specific USA counted compliance parts. 922r is so confusing to everyone even the ATF. So if in doubt Replace as many ATF counted parts with US made parts.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 05:37 PM

I just wanted to say if anyone is in doubt about 922r just put as many USA parts on as you can.


While I (and many others) know what you mean, I'd reword that to say "Replace as many counted parts with US made parts". There's been quite a few people come here, and assume just adding US made parts helps them. It doesn't. You need to replace parts with US made ones (that are "counted" on the list).

You also get a lot of people who think every part on a Saiga has to do with compliance. Asking if certain scopes, scope mounts, VFG's, etc., will help them gain compliance.

Very True. Plus not everyone wants to move the trigger assembly forward. I listed specific USA counted compliance parts. 922r is so confusing to everyone even the ATF. So if in doubt Replace as many ATF counted parts with US made parts.


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Posted 09 November 2008 - 10:18 AM

THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I HAVE YET TO CONVERT OR UPGRADE BUT, I WILL NOW. FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO OWN ONE OF EACH CALIBER, STARTED BUYING THEM WHEN THEY WERE STILL EAA FINISHED WITH THE LAST TWO BEING RAAC. AND YES THERE WAS A PRICE DIFF :blues: ERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO COMPANIES.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:31 AM

Fascinating reading.

Being in NJ are options are limited with what we can do to EBR's.

Having said that I would like to be able to use 15 round mags.

My understanding is that if I change the buttstock and handguard to US made, and then put in a US made 15 round mag, I am ok (mag counts as 3) - not subject to 922r

If I want to use the factory mags, which aren't hi cap, the gun reverts back to an import weapon and subject to 922r but has no evil features so it is in compliance.

Is that correct?

(I wonder if you went back in time and brought this thread to a 1960's gun store what they would think of it)

Edited by Highland Ranger, 16 November 2008 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2008 - 05:01 PM

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 08:28 AM

Man all this is confusing, how about just dressing the gun up with all us made accessories like stock pistol grip and mags and all, will it be ok then???

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 09:24 AM

Man all this is confusing, how about just dressing the gun up with all us made accessories like stock pistol grip and mags and all, will it be ok then???

No, that would not necessarily do it. The point is to have ten or less foreign parts on the gun to be 922r compliant. Please review what are 'countable parts.' You have to remove enough foreign parts and replace them with US-made parts. You can hang a bunch of US-made accessories on the thing as you want but if they're not 'countable parts' it doesn't mean squat. The parts you mention are countable, but I would not depend on magazines to make up the numbers for compliance. Maybe you do get the picture, but your use of the term 'accessories' can be misleading/confusing. Good luck!
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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:22 AM

Parts Count on Saiga Shotguns and Rifles

In this document I will attempt to express my understanding of the current laws and how they apply to the Saiga firearms. If you have questions & concerns or disagree with what I've put together, we can modify. The scope of this is to have a post to link members to if they have parts count questions. I realize there are several posts on this, but most do not specifically apply to both rifles and shotguns. Maybe this can be stickied somewhere handy.

Before doing anything, check with your local and state laws as you may have tighter regulations than what the ATF has laid out for us.

The Saigas have a certain number of parts in their unmodified “Sporting” configuration. They are considered imported because they have more than 10 imported parts in them. As such they are held to 922 ® compliance.

If you want to use high capacity magazines, convert the weapon to pistol grip configuration or use a flash hider, it will then be considered unsporting. You will need to swap out parts so that you have no more than 10 imported parts in it. It will then be considered a US made firearm and 922® does not apply. See bottom of this post for more 922® info and some grey areas.



Parts List

Here’s a quick overview of the parts count determined by the ATF definition letter listed at http://www.soupbowl.....ru/page12.html. For the Saiga rifles, refer to the Galil/AK parts count. The Saiga Shotguns are directly referenced.

A Saiga Rifle in factory configuration has 14 parts.
A Saiga shotgun threaded for chokes has 14 parts.
A Saiga shotgun not threaded for chokes has 13 parts.

(parts on a factory config saiga are in bold)

(1) Receiver
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks, trunnion (rifles only)
(5) Muzzle attachments (shotguns w/ threaded barrels only)
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstock
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates



Examples:

You have a Saiga-12 with factory threaded barrel. (14 parts) You want to convert it to pistol grip configuration. You will need 5 U.S. made parts to make it a U.S. firearm since adding a pistol grip is adding a part from the list.

-or-

You have a Saiga-7.62x39 and want to use high capacity magazines. Since high capacity magazines are considered “unsporting”, and would be in violation of 922®. Your rifle with mag has 14 parts. Use U.S. made mags and one additional U.S. made part like a gas piston and you are good to go.

-or-

You have a Saiga-410 and want to use the factory 10 round magazines. This is believed to be considered high-capacity in a shotgun and be in violation of 922®. You will need to remove imported parts and replace them with U.S. made parts so you have no more than 10 imported ones total.



Grey Areas

Sporting Purposes…
While this was defined in the now-defunct AWB of 1994, the term "Sporting Purposes" is in actuality determined by the opinion of the Secretary of the Treasury. There is no clear ruling on what exactly that means so adding a bayonet lug or flash hider to the firearm may be considered "unsporting" and in violation of 922®.

High Capacity Magazines…
It has been argued what exactly high capacity magazine means. Generally it has been understood that the magazine limit for rifles is 10 rounds and shotguns is 5. Anymore than that and it’s considered “unsuitable for sporting purposes”. Problem is there are no clear definitions stating that exactly.

Flash Hider/Muzzle Brakes/Compensators…
Any type of FH, Brake, Comp or choke are considered muzzle devices. They are included in the parts count. However there has been some disagreement in the past as to whether adding a muzzle brake constitutes making the imported weapon “unsporting”.

Shotgun Chokes…
It’s also arguable whether chokes are considered a part or not and the threading itself is not considered a part, but to be on the safe side I’d consider a choke or thread protector a muzzle device.

Shotgun Pistons…
It’s been the general understanding that the grooved plug in the gas block on the shotguns is considered the piston and the rod on the bolt carrier is either and operating rod or carrier extension. The gas piston on the rifles and other AK’s is the part that is threaded into the bolt carrier.

Parts count difference between the rifles and shotguns…
The main difference between the rifle and shotguns parts counts is the shotguns do not have #(4) Mounting blocks, trunnion. I don’t really understand that part because to be they look to have the same general construction, but that is how the definitions are listed by the ATF themselves.



922 ® in short…

Section 922®, of Title 18, U.S.C. prohibits assembly of certain semiautomatic rifles from imported parts. The implementing regulations in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) section 178.39(a), provide that no person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph © of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d) (3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

For further information about 922®, go to the ATF Website or http://uscode.house.gov/ and search for 18 U.S.C. § 922® and 27 CFR § 478.39 of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968.

In Summary

So you made it through all the gibberish above, I hope I have enlightened you a little about the legalities of modifying a Saiga. In short, convert the thing to a U.S. made firearm and do whatever you want to it. Just mind your parts count!

922® isn't such a bad thing, think of all the U.S. business you are helping to support. Also you are turning that ugly little antelope into a much more graceful looking thing of beauty! Remember, a factory configuration Saiga is an example of what the gun control fanatics would like to have all assault weapons look like. Do your job to support the American economy and convert them to U.S. made firearms!

[size="4"]Hi, I am not sure of my compliance, any thought would help. What about a 19" S12 w/ russian made folding stock that has a pistol grip (all one piece). Tromix shark break, US made all aluminum forearm. Legal or illegal???

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:39 AM

[size="4"]Hi, I am not sure of my compliance, any thought would help. What about a 19" S12 w/ russian made folding stock that has a pistol grip (all one piece). Tromix shark break, US made all aluminum forearm. Legal or illegal???


The Russian made stock with pistol grip does nothing for your compliance, and adds an additional part. US made brake and foregrip lessen your needed replacement parts by two, from 15 to 13. You still need to get down to ten or less foreign parts. Suggest a US made piston (the hockey puck thing) and the fire control group but you will need to modify the hammer to accomodate the BHO. See the technical section for details. Do NOT depend on US made mags for compliance or you will not be able to use the original mags. Hope that helps.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 12:38 AM

The Saigas have a certain number of parts in their unmodified “Sporting” configuration. They are considered imported because they have more than 10 imported parts in them. As such they are held to 922 ® compliance.

I'm a noob here, but am familiar with 922 as it pertains to AK kits.

Just to make sure: I had thought that I could do about anything I want to my newly bought (used) Saiga 12, since it's a fully functional, legally imported shotty. From what I see here, however, once I start to substitute yummy parts, I need to do the six-domestic-part thing -- correct?

I had optimistically assumed that I can do anything I want with a currently-imported and legally complete firearm. And, if not, does this pertain equally to, say, Purdys, or do some shotty users fail to meet the common grade?

Trying to stay legal and and not drilling any Purdys,

Thanks!

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:38 AM

Read and went to that site that had to check boxes.. Not sure if i'm understanding it correctly.. So the saiga 308 in it's original configuration is 922r compliant, right? or is it not and our job is to removed at least 4 imported parts and use us parts? If it comes illegal in the beginning, why even sell it to us? Okay, now what if all I did was added:

http://www.gilbertsg...ail Scope Mount

and

RAA stock http://www.gilbertsg...letonized Stock

Would my gun still be 922R compliant? legal? I would have to replace 6 other foreign parts to be compliant, eh? Damn confusing..

..sry.. made a thread like this in the 308 section... Didn't know this thread was here

Overall,

This is like saying, "Help our economy and not theirs" US seems to have this thing with foreign quality. I.E. Honda > Ford. Imagine everytime buying a Honda and we have to swap out japanese parts with american parts so we can drive it legally. Omg, car won't last past 50k miles... We're basically buying this gun and swapping out parts before actually being able to use it...retarded...lol! Hope the quality in the us gun saiga parts are just as good as its original parts.

Edited by soulless, 11 February 2009 - 04:14 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:53 AM

The Saigas have a certain number of parts in their unmodified “Sporting” configuration. They are considered imported because they have more than 10 imported parts in them. As such they are held to 922 ® compliance.

I'm a noob here, but am familiar with 922 as it pertains to AK kits.

Just to make sure: I had thought that I could do about anything I want to my newly bought (used) Saiga 12, since it's a fully functional, legally imported shotty. From what I see here, however, once I start to substitute yummy parts, I need to do the six-domestic-part thing -- correct?

I had optimistically assumed that I can do anything I want with a currently-imported and legally complete firearm. And, if not, does this pertain equally to, say, Purdys, or do some shotty users fail to meet the common grade?

Trying to stay legal and and not drilling any Purdys,

Thanks!

farmkid -- a Saiga newby



Read and went to that site that had to check boxes.. Not sure if i'm understanding it correctly.. So the saiga 308 in it's original configuration is 922r compliant, right? or is it not and our job is to removed at least 4 imported parts and use us parts? If it comes illegal in the beginning, why even sell it to us? Okay, now what if all I did was added:

http://www.gilbertsg...ail Scope Mount

and

RAA stock http://www.gilbertsg...letonized Stock

Would my gun still be 922R compliant? legal? I would have to replace 6 other foreign parts to be compliant, eh? Damn confusing..

..sry.. made a thread like this in the 308 section... Didn't know this thread was here

Overall,

This is like saying, "Help our economy and not theirs" US seems to have this thing with foreign quality. I.E. Honda > Ford. Imagine everytime buying a Honda and we have to swap out japanese parts with american parts so we can drive it legally. Omg, car won't last past 50k miles... We're basically buying this gun and swapping out parts before actually being able to use it...retarded...lol! Hope the quality in the us gun saiga parts are just as good as its original parts.


Both of you need to keep reading about 922r.

Where are you guys getting the "6 parts" thing from? In the beginning of this very thread that we're responding in, it says exactly how many "counted" parts are in Saiga shotguns and rifles. It also says which parts actually "count" in regards to 922r.

922r only applies when you bring your factory configured Saiga out of it's original "sporting configuration".

At least you guys found this thread, I'll give you that. Most newcomers don't even bother to look around before asking questions that are already answered in the stickies.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 01:25 PM

22_shooter,

Yeah.. gotta read it again... factory parts as in it's factory the original configuration as it would be in pistol grip....etc..? well, i'm thinking 6 parts.. cuz it says, the saiga comes in 14 foreign parts.. so since the RAA stock and the scope mount? is a foreign made part, that = 16 foreign parts now. I gotta replace 6 parts..

man.. i'll read it again..confusing

Edited by soulless, 11 February 2009 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 02:16 PM

Can someone please check my math.
Heres what I've added:
1 FOREARM-SGM TACTICAL GEN. 1 SAIGA 12 GAUGE TRI-RAIL +1
1 MOUNT-SAIGA AK47 SIDE RAIL LOW PROFILE +0
1 STOCK-SAIGA/AK 47 TAPCO T-6 COLLAPSIBLE BLACK +1
1 GRIP-SAIGA, AK47 SAW-STYLE PISTOL +1
1 TRIGGER GROUP-TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP +3
1 TRIGGER GUARD-SAIGA 12 TROMIX D-I-Y +0
1 SAIGA 12 TROMIX FLASH HIDER +1
1 Saiga 12 Gauge Shotgun 12rd Magazine +3
1 VERTICAL GRIP - FOLDING +0

If my count is correct then I have 10 US made 922r pieces.
Since I have a 19in threaded barrel I should have a starting count of 14...right? So.....14-10 gives me 4 foreign parts, well under the 10...am I right or wrong ?...Thanks

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 11:41 AM

I LIVE IN UPSTATE NY AND I JUST PURCHASED A SAIGA 223 RIFLE, I WANTED TO ADD A TAPCO COLLAPSIBLE STOCK WITH PISTOL GRIP ,TAPCO HAND GUARD , AND A SUREFIRE 30 RD MAGAZINE INTO IT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS 100% LEGAL TO DO THIS . AFTER READIND ABOUT 922R IT IS STILL NOT CLEAR TO ME , EVEN THOUGH YOU EXPLAIN THE PARTS COUNT, IT STILL MENTION THAT THROWING A PISTOL GRIP AND COLLAPSIBLE STOCK IS NOT COMPLIANT AND ILLEGAL , CAN SOME ONE PLEASE SPECIFY IF I CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES, ANY HELP IN THIS SITUATION WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.......

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 02:25 PM

Starting at 14:

1 Forearm-Sgm Tactical Gen. 1 Saiga 12 Gauge Tri-Rail......-1 = 13
1 Mount-Saiga Ak47 side rail low profile...........................-0 = 13
1 Stock-Saiga/Ak 47 Tapco T-6 collapsible black................-1 = 12
1 Grip-Saiga, Ak47 Saw-Style Pistol.................................-0 = 12
1 Trigger group-Tromix Saiga fire control group..................-3 = 9
1 Trigger guard-Saiga 12 Tromix D-I-Y..............................-0 = 9
1 Saiga 12 Tromix flash hider..........................................-1 = 8
1 Vertical grip - folding...................................................-0 = 8
1 Saiga 12 Gauge Shotgun 12rd magazine.........................-3 = 5 * when in gun


Can someone please check my math.
Heres what I've added:
1 FOREARM-SGM TACTICAL GEN. 1 SAIGA 12 GAUGE TRI-RAIL +1
1 MOUNT-SAIGA AK47 SIDE RAIL LOW PROFILE +0
1 STOCK-SAIGA/AK 47 TAPCO T-6 COLLAPSIBLE BLACK +1
1 GRIP-SAIGA, AK47 SAW-STYLE PISTOL +1
1 TRIGGER GROUP-TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP +3
1 TRIGGER GUARD-SAIGA 12 TROMIX D-I-Y +0
1 SAIGA 12 TROMIX FLASH HIDER +1
1 Saiga 12 Gauge Shotgun 12rd Magazine +3
1 VERTICAL GRIP - FOLDING +0

If my count is correct then I have 10 US made 922r pieces.
Since I have a 19in threaded barrel I should have a starting count of 14...right? So.....14-10 gives me 4 foreign parts, well under the 10...am I right or wrong ?...Thanks


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Posted 18 February 2009 - 05:55 AM

I LIVE IN UPSTATE NY AND I JUST PURCHASED A SAIGA 223 RIFLE, I WANTED TO ADD A TAPCO COLLAPSIBLE STOCK WITH PISTOL GRIP ,TAPCO HAND GUARD , AND A SUREFIRE 30 RD MAGAZINE INTO IT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS 100% LEGAL TO DO THIS . AFTER READIND ABOUT 922R IT IS STILL NOT CLEAR TO ME , EVEN THOUGH YOU EXPLAIN THE PARTS COUNT, IT STILL MENTION THAT THROWING A PISTOL GRIP AND COLLAPSIBLE STOCK IS NOT COMPLIANT AND ILLEGAL , CAN SOME ONE PLEASE SPECIFY IF I CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES, ANY HELP IN THIS SITUATION WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.......


Let's clear some things up first.

- Telescoping/folding/collapsible stocks are illegal on post-ban rifles (which your Saiga is) in NY.

- Any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, must be pre-ban. Surefire mags are not pre-ban.

Check the link in my signature, for info that's specific to NY's ban.



EDIT: Where in NY are ya?

Edited by 22_Shooter, 18 February 2009 - 05:56 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 08:21 PM

I'm buying a new Saiga-12 from a local gun store here in Mobile, AL, it supposedly comes from Uncle Russkie with a 5 rnd mag... Cool, we're compliant with 922r.
However, the dealer includes a American made 12rnd mag.

Question: Does inserting the 12 rnd mag make it non compliant?

Edited by ChileRelleno, 18 February 2009 - 08:22 PM.

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