Alpha Operative 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 the gun complete with grip and buttstock conversion is 499 and if you already have the gun and ship it to us it will be 260 total to convert it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jlaughl 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 (edited) Ok..... What would the total cost be for same conversion as the Saiga that you have a picture of, in your orginal post? Edited October 11, 2004 by Jlaughl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wjm 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 the gun complete with grip and buttstock conversion is 499 and if you already have the gun and ship it to us it will be 260 total to convert it. Alpha Operative I sent you an email on this; however, it would benefit all board members if you would be more specific on exactly what parts and labor you are including in your $260 conversion, or the total package, with you providing the converted shotgun for $499. Assuming that you replaced the FCG, what USA made FCG did you replace it with? In the picture, the pistol grip appears to be the standard black, synthetic, USA made pg, as found on SAR1s, etc. - correct? You mentioned on one of the previous posts that the stock is from K-Var. If so, what K-Var part number is it? Is the folding stock in the picture in your opening post of this thread, the stock that comes with the conversion? What is the length of the barrel on the shotgun provided by you? Do you offer to shorten the barrel to 19/18.5 and recrown? If so, at what price? Do you offer to thread the muzzle for choke options? Are all the "conversion areas" touched up/ refinished? Does the cost quoted include return shipping? The reason for the numerous questions is: Your ad is somewhat vague in exactly what labor you will do, and what parts you include, for the quoted price of conversion. Another "converter" has posted his offer of conversion on this site, and it is quite specific. In order to be fair to both parties, and give the forum members the details so they can decide which is the better deal, please post the particulars as stated above. I sincerely hope that the board members of this site,with the help of your operation, can get all of our Saigas converted. Thank you, wjm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 hey, some good questions! i would be willing to pay a little extra to get the barrel shortened to 18.5 and recrowned! alpha, i stripped my saiga12 down to just the barrel and the receiver (and all the rcvr innards). is that all you need along with the u.s. fcg or do you need the stock and pistol grip as well? can you refinish and do light metal work as well??? i'd like to get the front sight ground down and have the rear sight removed and the dovetail slot filled in and ground down smooth. enquiring minds want to know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 I'm ordering a converted Saiga-12 from Alpha, supplying my own fcg, pg & buttstock. It will be refinished in Duracoat & bbl will be cut to 18.5". My cost including shipping is $450. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
infidel 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Now I am really confused. It does look like a folding model...it would be so easy just to tell us yes or no if the stock in the photo on page 1 folds. YES or NO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Now I am really confused. It does look like a folding model...it would be so easy just to tell us yes or no if the stock in the photo on page 1 folds. YES or NO I asked Alpha about foldings stocks when I first enquired about ordering one. The reply was "we don't have any folders except for fixed ones and they're $69 extra". That's why I decided to supply my own. HTH... Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
infidel 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 (edited) That is just it Tomac, I have the correct 100 series butt already, but do they modify the receiver for the side-folding hardware? I am thinking no based on your reply because they would need the hardware to go with it... It's still a good deal, but I'm trying to get an actual 12c with sidefolder before I resort to this method. Edited October 13, 2004 by infidel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I have been looking hard at the sidefolder and it is NOT COMPATIBLE at all with any optic mounted on the side rail. If you are planning on using only iron sights then the folder would be great. I am working on a Spetsnaz Saiga-12 instead of the LEO 12C... The Spetsnaz version DOES have a folder but you cannot close it unless you remove the Buttpad, Cheek rest AND the Kobra sight. So I have opted for a non-folder Krinkov stock....looks just like the Spetsnaz stock so thats fine with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Operative 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 im sorry for the confusion, but the pic that i posted was our 12c with all we have to offer! our base model with butt stock and pistol grip is 499 "black poly handguards pistol grip and bulgarian butt stock if you supply the gun the labor and parts will all run you 260 total the skeletal non folding stock is +69 K sight +160 right now we are not offering mods to the receiver to allow for the ask or 100 seris folder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I'm not saying Alpha is good or not, or that he is for real or not. He may be great . . .or not. All I know is that I esponded to his 8 round mags for sale post with a PM. After he responded with an address to send the money, I researched the address he gave me. I'm an investigator. I got the names of the owners. I sent him an e-mail saying I knew the owners and that I couldn't find him anywhere on K-Var's forum, where he also said he had great references.. He sent me an e-mail saying that the address he gave was his parents' house and asked me how I knew his parents and his name. I responded with the truth. I said that before I sent $200 out into space I did some research and found the people who lived at the address he gave. Rather than telling me that he was glad I did my homework and I was for real, he said that because I researched him "behind his back" he wasn't going to sell me the mags, and that he hadn't been on K-var for a long time and that he wasn't going to send me the "references" that I wanted. Again, I know little to nothing about Alpha, other than what I have said. He may be great. Do what you will with your money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oliver 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Is it proper to call it a 12c when the stock does not fold? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I have been looking hard at the sidefolder and it is NOT COMPATIBLE at all with any optic mounted on the side rail. If you are planning on using only iron sights then the folder would be great. I am working on a Spetsnaz Saiga-12 instead of the LEO 12C... The Spetsnaz version DOES have a folder but you cannot close it unless you remove the Buttpad, Cheek rest AND the Kobra sight. So I have opted for a non-folder Krinkov stock....looks just like the Spetsnaz stock so thats fine with me. That's why I'll be installing my own Romanian folder that folds to the right so it matches my AKs and doesn't interfere w/optics. You can still access the charging handle, safety & trigger w/the Romy stock folded. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I'll be the guinea pig here and order from Alpha. When it arrives I'll post pics and a range report so the rest of you can evaluate it for yourselves. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Tomac: Don't forget that the ACE stock can be reveresed to fold on the right side too. ...It'll just cost you 4x as much as the Romanian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_TEK 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Hey USMC_LB where did you get your non-folder Krinkov stock that looks like the Spetsnaz one? Thanks, MAC_TEK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Operative 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 imparidel ........ when you pull up personal information on a person as you did me , it makes you sound like a damn FED or something, that really creaps people out.If you had any doubt as to whether my intent was real or not you could have asked to call or something like many of the people buying our conversion have done. I have talked to a bunch of people that are now ordering our 12's and am happy to say many of them are now friends. If you have an doubt as to our business or skill wait and read posts by our customers. Id thank you not to spread needless slander in the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hk4me 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 So, to clarify what your "Base Model $260.00 Labor & Parts" deal is: I assume you do the following if I provide the base Saiga 12 weapon: 1. Install a "fixed" Traditional Bulgarian Buttstock 2. Install a USA Compliant Pistol Grip 3. Relocate & install a USA compliant FCG You mention something about "black poly handguards"... Do you replace the handguards as well ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? And on your $499 deal, your original pic shows a folding Krink stock and Kobra sight... I'm making the assumption that you can get the Krink stock for an additional $69.00 (but it won't fold) and the Kobra sight for an addtional $125.00 ? In this case, a thousand words are not worth a picture... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Operative 0 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 you are indeed correct you got a 12 now !!!! spend 260 with us we supply all that is needed and send it back to you. im sorry if our pic got people confused, it was just suppose to show everything that was available Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Tomac: Don't forget that the ACE stock can be reveresed to fold on the right side too. ...It'll just cost you 4x as much as the Romanian. Yeah, I know, I used to own an ACE but while others love them I just couldn't warm up to it. The Romy folder on the other hand really surprised me at how comfortable and easy it is to use, especially w/my fav AK sight (PK-AS, which I'm putting on the Saiga-12 as well). It doesn't look like much but it sure delivers! Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rowdy1124 0 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 sounded too good to be true... oh well, we've all been cheated once or twice, guess it's just good some of our BS detectors are at full power... good luck sending money to this guy's parents... I wish ya'll the best... ~Rowdy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
screaming eagle 0 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 l picked up a couple of $25 East German folding stocks 7-8 yrs ago in anticipation of the ban expiring or becoming irrelevent one day. They're awesome for functionality. They fold to the right, curve down to clear bolt handle and safety, lock up solidly in both open/closed positions On the downside they're alittle too short for comfort and the solid steel butt plate transfers all of the recoil directly into the shoulder pocket. Not a big problem for 7.62x39, but 12 gauge buck.......? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yeah, that was one of the main reasons I didnt like the Romanian side folder. I didnt think it would be good for the recoil of a 12 guage shotgun. Personally I think the Romy is a very ugly rifle stock. But its "functionality" is surperb. Folding to the right has inherent problems that the Romy's design overcomes. Its weird curves allow it to not interfere with the trigger, bolt handle and selector. Thats why I decided to go with the same design that the Russian Spetsnaz use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yeah, that was one of the main reasons I didnt like the Romanian side folder. I didnt think it would be good for the recoil of a 12 guage shotgun. Personally I think the Romy is a very ugly rifle stock. But its "functionality" is surperb. Folding to the right has inherent problems that the Romy's design overcomes. Its weird curves allow it to not interfere with the trigger, bolt handle and selector. Thats why I decided to go with the same design that the Russian Spetsnaz use. I agree, the Romy is nothing to look at! However, I've grown to love how it fits/feels on my AKs so that's why I'm trying it on the Saiga-12. If recoil is too stiff then I'll probably add a Bulgarian strap-on AK recoil pad. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
screaming eagle 0 Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Tomac, tiny flash bulb just went off while looking over the board. Perhaps l'll road test it on one of my East German stocks. there's a little rubber bumper in the top corner to cushion it from banging into the receiver. Remove the pad & wrap a couple layers of 550 cord around the butt plate. In the past, l've duct taped 1 1/4" stiff foam pad to the butt plate on a "fixed" folder. Really ugly! but effective in recoil absorbsion w/ the additional advantage of gaining length of pull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Tomac, tiny flash bulb just went off while looking over the board. Perhaps l'll road test it on one of my East German stocks. there's a little rubber bumper in the top corner to cushion it from banging into the receiver. Remove the pad & wrap a couple layers of 550 cord around the butt plate. In the past, l've duct taped 1 1/4" stiff foam pad to the butt plate on a "fixed" folder. Really ugly! but effective in recoil absorbsion w/ the additional advantage of gaining length of pull Interesting! Please post the results if you try it! Thx!... Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 (edited) Just got an email from Alpha. My funds & parts were received today, my converted 12c should ship to me early next week, with luck I'll have by Friday of next week. Tomac Edited October 15, 2004 by Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rock47 1 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 I have a Russian Saiga folder, will you install it on a Saiga? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Tomac, tiny flash bulb just went off while looking over the board. Perhaps l'll road test it on one of my East German stocks. there's a little rubber bumper in the top corner to cushion it from banging into the receiver. Remove the pad & wrap a couple layers of 550 cord around the butt plate. In the past, l've duct taped 1 1/4" stiff foam pad to the butt plate on a "fixed" folder. Really ugly! but effective in recoil absorbsion w/ the additional advantage of gaining length of pull what about the polish or kvar strap-on butt pad? it's a lot thicker than a couple layers of 550 cord (course, it's also a lot more expensive! ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Tomac, tiny flash bulb just went off while looking over the board. Perhaps l'll road test it on one of my East German stocks. there's a little rubber bumper in the top corner to cushion it from banging into the receiver. Remove the pad & wrap a couple layers of 550 cord around the butt plate. In the past, l've duct taped 1 1/4" stiff foam pad to the butt plate on a "fixed" folder. Really ugly! but effective in recoil absorbsion w/ the additional advantage of gaining length of pull what about the polish or kvar strap-on butt pad? it's a lot thicker than a couple layers of 550 cord (course, it's also a lot more expensive! ) That's exactly what I was considering if recoil's too stiff w/just the Romy folder. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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