TonyRumore 1,332 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 The gun is sporting the following goodies above and beyond a Basic Tromix conversion. 1. Competition stock 2. Dog legged Galil charging handle 3. Extended short throw safety 4. Extended magazine release 5. Competition hex brake 6. Ported barrel 7. Screw-in Rem-Chokes 8. Short throw trigger (pull and reset) 9. Ultra low scope mount 10. Burris fast fire optic (which is a POS) Being replaced by a Docter Optic 11. Throated chamber 12. Shortened gas system (2.25" rearward) 13. Limbsaver recoil pad 14. Magazine guide 15. Vented Galil style forend Price $2,375 complete, less optic, lead time 11 months. This particular gun was purchased by Dean Makkos, Grand Master 3 gun shooter as soon as I pulled it out of the case at the Nationals. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 how did it perform? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted October 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Dean didn't use it in the match. He used his Benelli instead and had quite a few problems with it. He claims that many times he will out cycle it and have to pull the trigger a second time. He tested the Saiga, and as hard as he tried, he could not out cycle the S-12 action. Many competitors came by and tested the S-12's custom trigger. All said it was MUCH better then their 1100's or Benellis. Dean's Benelli also malfunctioned on at least one stage with the bolt bouncing out of battery. I had previously test fired the S-12 with about 500 rounds and it ran flawlessly. Dean fired about 3 boxes out of it, and it ran like a champ with even the lightest of loads. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Tony, how did you manage to use an internal choke in combination with a brake? Once upon a time more than a few of us wanted that option, but the general concensus was that if the barrel was threaded internally and externally that there wouldn't be enough meat left on the barrel. Was that just bullshit thinking, is the break a pressed fit or something, or am I missing something. Pretty cool stuff, I was waiting for someone to step up to the plate and make a comp gun, kind of suprised that it took you so long. Looks to be all function and no Valley Bitch, imagine that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Wish I could have been there!! Maybe next year! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Tony, how did you manage to use an internal choke in combination with a brake? Once upon a time more than a few of us wanted that option, but the general concensus was that if the barrel was threaded internally and externally that there wouldn't be enough meat left on the barrel. Was that just bullshit thinking, is the break a pressed fit or something, or am I missing something. TruChoke now has thinwall choke taps. Those may be an option for those who want both. Info is up on Brownell's site about the exact threads they have and min wall thicknesses. The minor diameter of the S-12 threading would be 21.25mm, subtract that from whatever the internal threading's major diameter is. Otherwise standard RemChokes would make the min barrel thickness too thin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'm at a loss, Tony has it listed as Rem chokes, but the brake definately has flats as if it were made to screw on. Also interested in what the overall barrel length turned out to be? I don't have a clue as to what's typically used in these competitions, but the assumption would be shorter would manuver and come on sight quicker provided it doesn't disturb the pattern. Wish I could find someplace in the St Louis area that puts shotgun matches on, sounds like a lot of fun but I need some serious practice time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Oh baby! Thing of beauty! Couple of questions, answer at your leisure, you've surely had a long weekend! Moving the gas back a couple of inches ... does that better reliability? Any testing on that brake, and any idea on how it compares to other open brakes (i.e. JP's). I'd love to hear more about the mag guide, and a more direct pic? Did the burris "give up the ghost?" IIRC, that stock folds ... is that right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayanx 1 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 thats a thing of beauty. What size mag is that, and how much for all that? not including the S-12 I mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Moving the gas back a couple of inches ... does that better reliability? Any testing on that brake, and any idea on how it compares to other open brakes (i.e. JP's). Did the burris "give up the ghost?" IIRC, that stock folds ... is that right? The short gas system=more gas, so it will cycle very light loads even with the barrel porting. The Burris is crap...it will shut off between shots, then come back on. The Docter is the way to go. Dean wanted the folder for tight stages like busses or outhouses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 The brake is bonded in place with #620 bearing mount. It would run $1,900 on your gun. Barrel OAL is about 20". Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 That's the AGP 10-round mag, dayan. All the Saiga needs to be the number one competition gun is a magwell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 The brake is bonded in place with #620 bearing mount. It would run $1,900 on your gun. Barrel OAL is about 20". Tony Since the gun sold for $2,375.00, does that mean that I can buy the same gun w/o the brake for $475.00? Or does that mean you NEVER want to build one again? 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 That's the AGP 10-round mag, dayan. All the Saiga needs to be the number one competition gun is a magwell. +1!! Coming soon!!! I'm ready to hear all the tube-fed guys cry like bitches, especially the ones that liked to laugh at the saiga in the beginning. They are gonna have to eat a lot of words! Tony asked me if I had a magwell he could put on that one but I only had 2 and couldn't part with them. One was for sticks and the other for sticks and drums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Go Mike Go! The stick magwell is gonna be the big seller. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 How much help is the porting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 With the porting/compensator combo, it's an extremely soft-shooting gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) The brake is bonded in place with #620 bearing mount. It would run $1,900 on your gun. Barrel OAL is about 20". Tony Since the gun sold for $2,375.00, does that mean that I can buy the same gun w/o the brake for $475.00? Or does that mean you NEVER want to build one again? 1911 As with 1911, I would also like to know whether Tony plans to offer this Comp S-12 as part of his custom line up? Ummmmm.... I thought during an earlier posting from Tony, he mentioned (or implied) that he would, but now that he's completed the gun.... quite naturally he might have changed his mind, due to time requirements involved to make such a fantastic creation and possible headaches. Tony? Edited October 9, 2007 by Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) All the above mods are available with your conversion. Pricing has already been worked out for each mod. Edited October 9, 2007 by BobAsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) It would run $1,900 on your gun.Tony Since the gun sold for $2,375.00, does that mean that I can buy the same gun w/o the brake for $475.00? Or does that mean you NEVER want to build one again? 1911 What this means is he takes $475 off the price if you supply the gun. Edited October 9, 2007 by BobAsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 It would run $1,900 on your gun.Tony Since the gun sold for $2,375.00, does that mean that I can buy the same gun w/o the brake for $475.00? Or does that mean you NEVER want to build one again? 1911 What this means is he takes $475 off the price if you supply the gun. My mistake, I read it to mean that the comp (alone) on my gun would be $1,900.00. Glad to hear I misunderstood. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PogueMahone 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 wow. i LIKE that dog leg galil bolt handle! i wonder, has there ever been any probs with the handle bending or breaking off? i've heard the izzies have had a few probs with their .mil galils... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 We haven't had any break, and Tony has made hundreds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Hey, have you heard the tube feeders whining yet? I hear it all the time at my gun club stuff like "the gun beat me not you" "your buying your wins" "that is just unfair" blah blah blah. Why don't you go out and buy a Saiga? Here is my favorate, Eric and another guy are compairing scores, the guy says "not too bad only 30 seconds behind an open gun", Eric said, "your a cop and I'm a 15 year old kid" Now that there is a serious dedicated competition Saiga out there I bet orders will come in from all over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monev 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Can the quadrail be modified to fit on the shortened gas system? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatmanual 44 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Here is my favorate, Eric and another guy are compairing scores, the guy says "not too bad only 30 seconds behind an open gun", Eric said, "your a cop and I'm a 15 year old kid" HAHAHAHAHAH~!!! ok back to the topic... Tony, How much is the cheek piece by itself? I was thinking of getting one of those and mounting it on my tromix folder. ~Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 The comp stock has threaded inserts molded into it, so the cheek piece can be attached. You can't put the comp cheek piece on the standard Tromix stock. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zoub 0 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Fantastic gun, left nothing out. That stock makes we want to own a 12 and seriously consider making it a folder. I would never give up cheek weld just to have a folder. I only did it on one gun, an 870 with a knoxx folder, gun is set up to be compact and light weight. Knoxx has decent cheek weld for a wire stock. No SBS allowed in my state, but with that Tromix stock, I see a great folder. With just that stock and a mag well, you would have a basic comp gun to build on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobotech 3 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Great gun. This makes me wonder. Currently, it appears that most Saiga 12s are sold to people like me who just want a very unique fun gun that has lots of options. Now with custom competition guns like this one being made that apparently can outshoot and out run a Benilli or a 1100, will this mean that the competitors will start flocking to it? I just wonder if they will start to want these even though its hard to get them as it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PogueMahone 0 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 is a folding comp stock an option? i don't want to use mine for competition but the raised cheekpiece will give me a better stock weld and also help IMMEASURABLY when using optics on the rail!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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