stoneshatter 0 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 My Form 4 is now PENDING as of 04/30/08 !!!!! Any updates on the Form 4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 My Form 4 is now PENDING as of 04/30/08 !!!!! Any updates on the Form 4? Well, I have had my HTG Cycle-2 9mm can for a while and absolutly LOVE IT!! My Beretta 92FS sounds like a paint ball gun with an almost empty tank when firing Alabama Ammo's Special K 147gr sub-sonics. Next up is... 1. NFA Item: Tactical Innovations Quest SS .22lr Suppessor 2. Form Type: Form 4 3. Transferee Type: RLT 4. Paid for Item: 7/22/2008 5. Form 4 Sent: 8/20/2008 6. Delivered: 8/22/08 14:05 7. Check Cashed: 8/26/2008 8. Pending Date: 9/29/2008 9. Approved Date: 10. Forms Received: 11. Picked up from Dealer: 12. Examiner Name: Ted Clutter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 NFA Item: Tromix S17 SBS Form Type: Form 4 Transferee Type: RLT Forms Sent: 04 FEB 09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd) Forms Received: 09 FEB 09 (UPDATED ON 13 FEB 09) Check cashed: 10 FEB 09 (UPDATED ON 13 FEB 09) Pending Date: 08 APR 09 (UPDATED ON 17 APR 09) Approved Date: 07 MAY 09 (UPDATED ON 08 MAY 09) Forms Received: ? Examiner Name: Ted Clutter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Racer 27 37 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only. It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit. NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm Form Type: Form 4 Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts) Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd) Forms Received: Check cashed: Pending Date: Approved Date: Forms Received: Examiner Name: Edited June 10, 2009 by Racer 27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only. It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit. NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm Form Type: Form 4 Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts) Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd) Forms Received: Check cashed: Pending Date: Approved Date: Forms Received: Examiner Name: Looks good! Did you get in on Gem-tax's FREE stamp deal? Keep us posted on the above situation, the BATFE is running a little behind as you can imagine the buying frenzy has effected title II weapon as well. If you want a GREAT silencer web sight to browse and gain more info go to SilencerTalk.Com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Racer 27 37 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yes I got in on Gem-tax's FREE stamp deal. $200 cheaper Now I'll have to remember to check out what next year's will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Anyone from MI try this yet? I'm curious if our laws in regards to this are as screwy as some of our firearms laws. Thanks Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only. It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit. NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm Form Type: Form 4 Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts) Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd) Forms Received: Check cashed: Pending Date: Approved Date: Forms Received: Examiner Name: Any update? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Found this place: http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/ . Looks like some good NFA info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Found this place: http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/ . Looks like some good NFA info. Mr Goldman has TONS of great info on their websight. I highly suggest browsing through the pages and getting as much knowledge as possible if your considering getting into the NFA realm of weapons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAAnew 162 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 For all sales of Suppressors, Short Barrel Shotguns, Short Barrel Rifles, Machine Guns, or any other NFA items to residents of the state of Mississippi, Alabama (no SBS or SBR), or Tennessee, we will pay to have an attorney setup and file your NFA trust within your resident state. If you are not a resident of the states mentioned and want to buy a suppressor, SBS, SBR, or machine gun from us, contact us and we will work with you to find a firearms friendly lawyer who can setup the trust for you. We are currently working to develop a list of firearms friendly lawyers in other states and will be posting them to www.NFATrusts.com in the next couple weeks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Racer 27 37 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only. It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit. NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm Form Type: Form 4 Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts) Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd) Forms Received: Check cashed: Pending Date: Approved Date: Forms Received: Examiner Name: Any update? Lost track of this. Here's an update: Forms Received: 9/30/09 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raoul_Duke 113 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only. It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit. NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm Form Type: Form 4 Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts) Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd) Forms Received: Check cashed: Pending Date: Approved Date: Forms Received: Examiner Name: Any update? Lost track of this. Here's an update: Forms Received: 9/30/09 Sweet! My form was sent the day before yours! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 This year (2009) a bill was introduced in WA State to allow the use of suppressors, we can own them in WA State and put them on a firearm ATM, however we are not allowed to actually fire any bullets through them. As others have stated "Get Political" This is from March 2009 http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=423471&highlight=WA+Suppressor Back in 2008 Here we are taking on the issue as a "Safety" measure... http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=331390&highlight=Suppressor We even have a facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=21965771250 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
camon 233 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Here's something I don't think I have seen asked or mentioned. The $200 tax, is that a one time tax or per year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Here's something I don't think I have seen asked or mentioned. The $200 tax, is that a one time tax or per year? it's a one time tax. every tranfer is another 200 dollars, except for AOWs, then it's 5 dollars. Edited February 6, 2010 by Matthew Hopkins 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
camon 233 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Here's something I don't think I have seen asked or mentioned. The $200 tax, is that a one time tax or per year? it's a one time tax. every tranfer is another 200 dollars, except for AOWs, then it's 5 dollars. Straight, to the point. Just what I needed to know. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Sumsky 115 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Guys, Can you recomend someone in Florida that can get me started on setting up a Trust. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vultite 57 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Guys, Can you recomend someone in Florida that can get me started on setting up a Trust. Thanks This lawyer based in Palm Harbor will do it for $195, he does them quite a bit and directly talks to ATF officals in regards to issues/questions. http://www.davisbastalaw.com/gun.php Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sumsky 115 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Guys, Can you recomend someone in Florida that can get me started on setting up a Trust. Thanks This lawyer based in Palm Harbor will do it for $195, he does them quite a bit and directly talks to ATF officals in regards to issues/questions. http://www.davisbastalaw.com/gun.php Vultite, Thanks for the info, I will check it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Does anyone know if the name of the trust has to be unique from any other in the Country, or does it just have to be a different address and/or State? I'm wondering because I'm compiling a list of potential trust names, but if I can have what I want if it's just unique to my address and/or State, I won't have to worry about coming up with several alternatives if the one I want is already taken. Thanks Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Does anyone know if the name of the trust has to be unique from any other in the Country, or does it just have to be a different address and/or State? I'm wondering because I'm compiling a list of potential trust names, but if I can have what I want if it's just unique to my address and/or State, I won't have to worry about coming up with several alternatives if the one I want is already taken. Thanks Corbin You can name it anything you want...i.e. if you like "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" then so be it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 You can name it anything you want...i.e. if you like "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" then so be it. Even if someone else already has one called "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 You can name it anything you want...i.e. if you like "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" then so be it. Even if someone else already has one called "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust"? Yes, duplicate names are OK because the Trust will be specific to you the Grantor. I.E. "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" Grantor and Trustee Mr. Mickey Mouse and Co-Trustee Mrs. Minnie Mouse. Something like this would allow both you and your wife access to said NFA item incase you not around and they need to be moved, taken to a smith, or picked up for whatever reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 When the trust is a 'revokable living trust' does all of that have to be engraved on the weapon? or can it just be the 'So and so trust' instead of the 'So and so revokable living trust? I mean, hell, the name will take up half of the recievers if I have to use it the way it is written already. I had the paperwork created for one, but was unaware that my full name and 'revokable living trust' was going to be the name. The very first part of the trust is where the name is declared. Can I just change the declared name throughout the paperwork to something shorter? I really hate to start over on this. Any help appreciated as I am really anxious about getting some Form 1s mailed out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Maybe I'll name my trust the "In God We" Trust. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) When the trust is a 'revokable living trust' does all of that have to be engraved on the weapon? or can it just be the 'So and so trust' instead of the 'So and so revokable living trust? I mean, hell, the name will take up half of the recievers if I have to use it the way it is written already. I had the paperwork created for one, but was unaware that my full name and 'revokable living trust' was going to be the name. The very first part of the trust is where the name is declared. Can I just change the declared name throughout the paperwork to something shorter? I really hate to start over on this. Any help appreciated as I am really anxious about getting some Form 1s mailed out. I would use the full name, but I do believe that some abbreviations are allowed. You don't see the state spelled out too much, it's typically an abbreviation. My trust came with the following advice: How to Style Properties Owned by the TrustAssets which are intended to be owned by the Revocable Trust can be styled a number of ways. All of the following options will adequately identify the trust. I would recommend using the first one as it is the shortest and easiest. If you use the other acceptable forms for naming the trust, it will be difficult to complete the transfer documents because of the limited space provided for the name of the trust. In addition, if you use a longer version on a Form 1 application the full name used will need to be used when placing the name on the weapon. "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST" <SNIP> NOTE: For the manufacturer of a Title II firearm on a Form 1, you must use the full name of the Trust for engraving purposes, the ATF states that you may use recognized abbreviations but as there are none for the "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST" we strongly recommend that you engrave the full name of your trust. If you do not engrave "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST", one day when you sell or transfer the items, the engraving will be seen and you will face the criminal penalties associated with a violation of the NFA. It is a violation of the NFA to improperly engrave any manufactured item. Note that he says that "there are (no recognized abbreviations) for the "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST". That may be true, but a quick internet search does turn up an abbreviation for "revocable living trust" which is "RLT" and a less common abbreviation for "revocable trust" which is "RT" or "REV TR". So it may be allowable to engrave "evlblkwpnz RLT". The question is, what is "recognized"? That said, you should get legal advice from a lawyer if you want to be 100% certain. Here is some more info I found: 7.4.2 Additional information. Certain additional information must also be conspicuously placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel of the firearm by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), that is, they must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (1) The model, if such designation has been made; (2) The caliber or gauge; (3) The manufacturer’s name (or recognized abbreviation); and (4) The city and State (or recognized abbreviation) where the manufacturer maintains its place of business.122 <SNIP> 7.4.4.1 Variances in the name and location of the manufacturer. As stated above, the regulations require firearms to be marked with the manufacturer’s name, city and State or recognized abbreviation of the information. FTB will only grant marking variances for abbreviations regarding city and State names that are commonly recognized by the United States Postal Service. If you intend to use a name or abbreviation other than your licensed name or recognized abbreviation, you must contact the Federal Firearms Licensing Center and complete ATF Form 5300.38 to have your Federal Firearms License amended to reflect the addition of a trade name or a “doing business as” name to your license. You may not use a name or abbreviation until it is approved. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8.pdf WARNING: 10MB PDF file Someone pointed out to me that RLT (Revocable Living Trust) is not an abbreviation that is accepted by the ATF, and that the word "Trust" should be used in lieu of RLT. For example:M. Mouse Trust and not M. Mouse RLT. I have seen the RLT used, so I'm unsure what to say here. If in doubt, you can always call the ATF and ask. Again, what is engraved on the NFA item should match what you name your trust, so if you use an initial in your trust name, that's how your NFA item should be engraved. I seem to recall someone saying that they named their trust "In God We" and had "In God We Trust" engraved. I wasn't that original, but I like the idea. http://www.68forums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8518 Edited May 13, 2010 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Bigj, I appreciate the good info. I spent quite some time on the ATF file. I learned a great deal about a bunch of things I always wondered about. Looks like I need to call them before I make a move. I don't like doing things over and over. Thank you, evl.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 No problem, evl. Glad I could help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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