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#31 CrashPC

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 03:15 PM

My Form 4 is now PENDING as of 04/30/08 :up: :super: !!!!!


Any updates on the Form 4?
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Posted 01 November 2008 - 10:59 AM

My Form 4 is now PENDING as of 04/30/08 :up: :super: !!!!!


Any updates on the Form 4?


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1. NFA Item: Tactical Innovations Quest SS .22lr Suppessor
2. Form Type: Form 4
3. Transferee Type: RLT
4. Paid for Item: 7/22/2008
5. Form 4 Sent: 8/20/2008
6. Delivered: 8/22/08 14:05
7. Check Cashed: 8/26/2008
8. Pending Date: 9/29/2008
9. Approved Date:
10. Forms Received:
11. Picked up from Dealer:
12. Examiner Name: Ted Clutter
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 04:17 PM

NFA Item: Tromix S17 SBS
Form Type: Form 4
Transferee Type: RLT
Forms Sent: 04 FEB 09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd)
Forms Received: 09 FEB 09 (UPDATED ON 13 FEB 09)
Check cashed: 10 FEB 09 (UPDATED ON 13 FEB 09)
Pending Date: 08 APR 09 (UPDATED ON 17 APR 09)
Approved Date: 07 MAY 09 (UPDATED ON 08 MAY 09)
Forms Received: ?
Examiner Name: Ted Clutter
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Posted 10 June 2009 - 12:32 AM

Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only.

It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit.

NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm
Form Type: Form 4
Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts)
Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd)
Forms Received:
Check cashed:
Pending Date:
Approved Date:
Forms Received:
Examiner Name:

Edited by Racer 27, 10 June 2009 - 12:33 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 03:20 PM

Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only.

It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit.

NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm
Form Type: Form 4
Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts)
Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd)
Forms Received:
Check cashed:
Pending Date:
Approved Date:
Forms Received:
Examiner Name:


Looks good! Did you get in on Gem-tax's FREE stamp deal?

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:25 PM

Yes I got in on Gem-tax's FREE stamp deal. $200 cheaper :super:

Now I'll have to remember to check out what next year's will be.
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Posted 07 July 2009 - 12:40 AM

Anyone from MI try this yet?

I'm curious if our laws in regards to this are as screwy as some of our firearms laws.


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Posted 24 August 2009 - 06:47 PM

Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only.

It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit.

NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm
Form Type: Form 4
Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts)
Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd)
Forms Received:
Check cashed:
Pending Date:
Approved Date:
Forms Received:
Examiner Name:



Any update?
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 03:07 PM

Found this place: http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/ . Looks like some good NFA info.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 11:34 PM

Found this place: http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/ . Looks like some good NFA info.



Mr Goldman has TONS of great info on their websight. I highly suggest browsing through the pages and getting as much knowledge as possible if your considering getting into the NFA realm of weapons. :ph34r:
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For all sales of Suppressors, Short Barrel Shotguns, Short Barrel Rifles, Machine Guns, or any other NFA items to residents of the state of Mississippi, Alabama (no SBS or SBR), or Tennessee, we will pay to have an attorney setup and file your NFA trust within your resident state.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:54 PM

Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only.

It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit.

NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm
Form Type: Form 4
Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts)
Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd)
Forms Received:
Check cashed:
Pending Date:
Approved Date:
Forms Received:
Examiner Name:



Any update?


Lost track of this. Here's an update:

Forms Received: 9/30/09 :super: :super: :super: :killer: :killer: :killer:
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 01:27 PM


Went the LLC route today so I could add my son when he turns 18. Also because I have to get my paper work to Gem tech by the 15th so they will pay for my transfer stamp. http://www.wdfi.org/ For wisconsin only.

It took all of about 15 mins online and cost $155 because I added a $25 rush encase they had to have a person review it. Nope went right though wasted $25, but I'm on a time limit.

NFA Item: Gem tech TUNDRA 9mm
Form Type: Form 4
Transferee Type: LLC (is this right? just copied sarge's posts)
Forms Sent: 6/10/09 (Priority USPS mail w/Signature Req'd)
Forms Received:
Check cashed:
Pending Date:
Approved Date:
Forms Received:
Examiner Name:



Any update?


Lost track of this. Here's an update:

Forms Received: 9/30/09 :super: :super: :super: :killer: :killer: :killer:

Sweet! My form was sent the day before yours! :super:
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 12:31 AM

This year (2009) a bill was introduced in WA State to allow the use of suppressors, we can own them in WA State and put them on a firearm ATM, however we are not allowed to actually fire any bullets through them.

As others have stated "Get Political"

This is from March 2009
http://www.thehighro...t=WA Suppressor

Back in 2008
Here we are taking on the issue as a "Safety" measure...
http://www.thehighro...ight=Suppressor

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 06:21 PM

Here's something I don't think I have seen asked or mentioned.

The $200 tax, is that a one time tax or per year?
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:37 PM

Here's something I don't think I have seen asked or mentioned.

The $200 tax, is that a one time tax or per year?



it's a one time tax. every tranfer is another 200


dollars, except for AOWs, then it's 5 dollars.

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 08:34 PM


Here's something I don't think I have seen asked or mentioned.

The $200 tax, is that a one time tax or per year?



it's a one time tax. every tranfer is another 200


dollars, except for AOWs, then it's 5 dollars.


Straight, to the point. Just what I needed to know.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 12:24 AM

Trusts CAN contain multiple people.
It is not only LLC and corporations that can have multiple occupants.
AND trusts can move from one state to another easier and cheaper typicaly
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:09 PM

Hi Guys,
Can you recomend someone in Florida that can get me started on setting up a Trust.
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:25 PM

Hi Guys,
Can you recomend someone in Florida that can get me started on setting up a Trust.
Thanks

This lawyer based in Palm Harbor will do it for $195, he does them quite a bit and directly talks to ATF officals in regards to issues/questions.

http://www.davisbastalaw.com/gun.php
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:52 PM


Hi Guys,
Can you recomend someone in Florida that can get me started on setting up a Trust.
Thanks

This lawyer based in Palm Harbor will do it for $195, he does them quite a bit and directly talks to ATF officals in regards to issues/questions.

http://www.davisbastalaw.com/gun.php

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Thanks for the info, I will check it out.

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 11:40 PM

Does anyone know if the name of the trust has to be unique from any other in the Country, or does it just have to be a different address and/or State?

I'm wondering because I'm compiling a list of potential trust names, but if I can have what I want if it's just unique to my address and/or State, I won't have to worry about coming up with several alternatives if the one I want is already taken.


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Posted 18 April 2010 - 04:30 PM

Does anyone know if the name of the trust has to be unique from any other in the Country, or does it just have to be a different address and/or State?

I'm wondering because I'm compiling a list of potential trust names, but if I can have what I want if it's just unique to my address and/or State, I won't have to worry about coming up with several alternatives if the one I want is already taken.


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You can name it anything you want...i.e. if you like "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" then so be it.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 08:17 PM

You can name it anything you want...i.e. if you like "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" then so be it.


Even if someone else already has one called "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust"?
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 08:59 PM



You can name it anything you want...i.e. if you like "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" then so be it.


Even if someone else already has one called "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust"?



Yes, duplicate names are OK because the Trust will be specific to you the Grantor.
I.E. "Mickey Mouse NFA Trust" Grantor and Trustee Mr. Mickey Mouse and Co-Trustee
Mrs. Minnie Mouse. Something like this would allow both you and your wife access to
said NFA item incase you not around and they need to be moved, taken to a smith, or
picked up for whatever reason.
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:08 AM

When the trust is a 'revokable living trust' does all of that have to be engraved on the weapon? or can it just be the 'So and so trust' instead of the 'So and so revokable living trust? I mean, hell, the name will take up half of the recievers if I have to use it the way it is written already.

I had the paperwork created for one, but was unaware that my full name and 'revokable living trust' was going to be the name. The very first part of the trust is where the name is declared. Can I just change the declared name throughout the paperwork to something shorter? I really hate to start over on this. Any help appreciated as I am really anxious about getting some Form 1s mailed out.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 11:47 AM

Maybe I'll name my trust the "In God We" Trust. :angel:
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:40 PM

When the trust is a 'revokable living trust' does all of that have to be engraved on the weapon? or can it just be the 'So and so trust' instead of the 'So and so revokable living trust? I mean, hell, the name will take up half of the recievers if I have to use it the way it is written already.

I had the paperwork created for one, but was unaware that my full name and 'revokable living trust' was going to be the name. The very first part of the trust is where the name is declared. Can I just change the declared name throughout the paperwork to something shorter? I really hate to start over on this. Any help appreciated as I am really anxious about getting some Form 1s mailed out.


I would use the full name, but I do believe that some abbreviations are allowed. You don't see the state spelled out too much, it's typically an abbreviation. My trust came with the following advice:

How to Style Properties Owned by the Trust
Assets which are intended to be owned by the Revocable Trust can be styled a number of
ways. All of the following options will adequately identify the trust. I would recommend using the
first one as it is the shortest and easiest. If you use the other acceptable forms for naming the trust, it
will be difficult to complete the transfer documents because of the limited space provided for the
name of the trust. In addition, if you use a longer version on a Form 1 application the full name used
will need to be used when placing the name on the weapon.

"BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST"

<SNIP>

NOTE: For the manufacturer of a Title II firearm on a Form 1, you must use the full name of the
Trust for engraving purposes, the ATF states that you may use recognized abbreviations but as there
are none for the "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST" we strongly recommend that you engrave
the full name of your trust. If you do not engrave "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST", one day
when you sell or transfer the items, the engraving will be seen and you will face the criminal
penalties associated with a violation of the NFA. It is a violation of the NFA to improperly engrave
any manufactured item.


Note that he says that "there are (no recognized abbreviations) for the "BIGJ480 REVOCABLE TRUST". That may be true, but a quick internet search does turn up an abbreviation for "revocable living trust" which is "RLT" and a less common abbreviation for "revocable trust" which is "RT" or "REV TR". So it may be allowable to engrave "evlblkwpnz RLT". The question is, what is "recognized"? That said, you should get legal advice from a lawyer if you want to be 100% certain.

Here is some more info I found:

7.4.2 Additional information. Certain additional information must also be conspicuously placed on
the frame, receiver, or barrel of the firearm by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), that is, they
must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms
manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch.
The additional information includes:

(1) The model, if such designation has been made;
(2) The caliber or gauge;
(3) The manufacturer’s name (or recognized abbreviation); and
(4) The city and State (or recognized abbreviation) where the manufacturer maintains its place
of business.122

<SNIP>

7.4.4.1 Variances in the name and location of the manufacturer. As stated above, the
regulations require firearms to be marked with the manufacturer’s name, city and State or
recognized abbreviation of the information. FTB will only grant marking variances for
abbreviations regarding city and State names that are commonly recognized by the United States
Postal Service. If you intend to use a name or abbreviation other than your licensed name or
recognized abbreviation, you must contact the Federal Firearms Licensing Center and complete
ATF Form 5300.38 to have your Federal Firearms License amended to reflect the addition of a
trade name or a “doing business as” name to your license. You may not use a name or
abbreviation until it is approved.

http://www.atf.gov/p...tf-p-5320-8.pdf WARNING: 10MB PDF file


Someone pointed out to me that RLT (Revocable Living Trust) is not an abbreviation that is accepted by the ATF, and that the word "Trust" should be used in lieu of RLT. For example:
M. Mouse Trust and not M. Mouse RLT. I have seen the RLT used, so I'm unsure what to say here. If in doubt, you can always call the ATF and ask. Again, what is engraved on the NFA item should match what you name your trust, so if you use an initial in your trust name, that's how your NFA item should be engraved. I seem to recall someone saying that they named their trust "In God We" and had "In God We Trust" engraved. I wasn't that original, but I like the idea.

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Edited by bigj480, 13 May 2010 - 01:43 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:34 PM

Bigj,
I appreciate the good info. I spent quite some time on the ATF file. I learned a great deal about a bunch of things I always wondered about. Looks like I need to call them before I make a move. I don't like doing things over and over.

Thank you,
evl....

Prodigy....

 

 

 

 


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 11:25 PM

No problem, evl. Glad I could help.
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