MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) Found this on a accessory search.... http://alliedarmament.homestead.com/saiga_..._op_800x296.jpg Pictured above is an extremely modified Russian (Izmash) Saiga 12, 12 guage shotgun, modified by Allied Armament. The modifications include installation of a pistol grip, trigger guard, magazine well and 8 rd magazine, Quad Rail system by Halo Manufacturing, forward pistol grip, and new synthetic butstock. The sytstem allows the already venerable shotgun to be suited for close combat situations. Currently the gun comes in a semiautomatc configuration. We are also working on a civilian transferrable destructive device version that will run fully automatic. Please see options below. Gun as pictured above $1400 one in stock. Edited October 13, 2007 by MCASgt New River Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 We are a distributor for Allied, they mainly build 1919 & .50 cal BMG rifles but have been branching out into PPSH 41 , AK 47 & Saiga 12 conversions, they do nice work and are coming out with a .308 50 round drum for the G3 rifles and eventually the Saiga .308 rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 That gun's a finger pincher... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 We are also working on a civilian transferrable destructive device version that will run fully automatic. I don't see how this would be possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1liter 20 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I just wet myself! A 50 round drum of 308! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Bob, I am with you I don't see how it can be done, SBS sure, but not select fire. Perhaps they are going after the law enforcement community? At any rate good luck finding those magazines, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 the magwell is what catched my eye. is that the russian version that supposedly only a couple Americans (MD) has put hands on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) We are also working on a civilian transferrable destructive device version that will run fully automatic. I don't see how this would be possible. Dude. . .I am confused also. Class III stuff is not a DD. . .until it is declared a DD, that is. . .otherwise it's simply Class III. So, WTF??? Does this guy even know of what he speaks? He claims to be in business, but. . .if so, why the bent understanding of the relevant laws. . .laws that he would have to know in order to BE in business. . .hmmmmm. Edited October 13, 2007 by inparidel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike12345 18 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) I just wet myself! A 50 round drum of 308! they are making 100rd beta-c-mags for M14 and AR10 in .308 You'll have to pre order them and wait but the wait will be worth it. Edited October 13, 2007 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I may not be qualified to judge, but that price seems a bit tall for the parts/labor included..... guido2 in Houston Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 *&%^(&^%$*^&%#$^%#@^%$(&*^)(* 20 rd. mag limit in the communist state of Md. Can't wait to get out if this hell hole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 In Ohio you can own any size magazine but except for rimfire magazines they are considered destructive devices over 30 rounds otherwise our laws are not too restrictive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I will speak with them on Monday to see what is up, as far as we would know there is no way to have a full auto transferable civilian model , maybe this is a typo or something, Also Red Jacket Firearms does nice Saiga 12 conversions also we contract with them and Tromix for our builds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 They could get a FA to civilian ownership if they used something else already classified as a MG. i.e. RDIAS, or maybe an AK47 (and I mean AK47) reciever, or something similar. I'd be surprised, but it is totally legal (IMHO, YMMV, and all those other disclaimers ...). My bet's on a mistake to, as the above would be odd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1liter 20 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) Atlantic, Any ETA on the saiga 308 drum? That will make me extremely happy! Sorry about the high jack... Edited October 14, 2007 by 1liter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ozone_00 3 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) Edited October 14, 2007 by ozone_00 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) 1 liter , we hope to see these in Nov, you are welcome to email us your name & phone number and we can contact you when they arrive, we would also offer a $25 discount to you as a field test discount . sales@atlanticfirearms.com Edited October 14, 2007 by Atlantic Firearms.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I think what they're trying to do with the NFA categories is fit it into one category that trumps another. IE if something is already an SBS, it can't be an AOW too. Or if it is already an MG it can't also be an SBR, unless you transfer out the transferrable components. I guess what they're assuming is that if it's a DD, it can't also be an MG. I hope they do it in a manner that stays far clear of other Saigas when seeking a DD ruling for theirs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Found this on a accessory search.... http://alliedarmament.homestead.com/saiga_..._op_800x296.jpg Pictured above is an extremely modified Russian (Izmash) Saiga 12, 12 guage shotgun, modified by Allied Armament. The modifications include installation of a pistol grip, trigger guard, magazine well and 8 rd magazine, Quad Rail system by Halo Manufacturing, forward pistol grip, and new synthetic butstock. The sytstem allows the already venerable shotgun to be suited for close combat situations. Currently the gun comes in a semiautomatc configuration. We are also working on a civilian transferrable destructive device version that will run fully automatic. Please see options below. Gun as pictured above $1400 one in stock. What. . .are you guys TRYING to get this thing delecared a DD???? WTF??? PLEASE. . .CHILL and just enjoy these wonderful things as they are!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Found this on a accessory search.... http://alliedarmament.homestead.com/saiga_..._op_800x296.jpg Pictured above is an extremely modified Russian (Izmash) Saiga 12, 12 guage shotgun, modified by Allied Armament. The modifications include installation of a pistol grip, trigger guard, magazine well and 8 rd magazine, Quad Rail system by Halo Manufacturing, forward pistol grip, and new synthetic butstock. The sytstem allows the already venerable shotgun to be suited for close combat situations. Currently the gun comes in a semiautomatc configuration. We are also working on a civilian transferrable destructive device version that will run fully automatic. Please see options below. Gun as pictured above $1400 one in stock. What?. . .are you guys TRYING to get this thing delecared a DD???? WTF??? PLEASE. . .CHILL and just enjoy these wonderful things as they are!!!! Are you guys TRYING to put an end to these coool guns????? The US has already chosen a SELECT FIRE shotty, the AA-12. The S-12 is NOT in the running. Watch and learn. http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?n...cle&sid=892 http://www.defensereview.com/article741.html http://www.futurefirepower.com/introducing...tgun-with-video I repeat. . .ZERO RECOIL!!!! Makes the . . .MY beloved S-12 look like a stone axe!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mO0qsdSqA&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3v8AN_fJlQ...n%20Rifle%20gun Edited October 15, 2007 by inparidel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Bob,I am with you I don't see how it can be done, SBS sure, but not select fire. Perhaps they are going after the law enforcement community? At any rate good luck finding those magazines, The US Military has already selected and mfg'd a select fire shotty for US mil use. There will be ZERO ned for any select fire or drum toys for the S-12, unless it is to end the importation of the S-12. Watch Futureweapons for the select fire 12 guage (with miraculously ZERO recoil) for US troop usage. ANy discussion of S-12 drums or select fore is merely the death song for this wonderful gun. Please see Futureweapons on the issue!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wali 0 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yes yes, the wonderful big heavy looking reduckulious select fire 12 gauge that you have to load like a Thompson SMG.. 32 round drum, 10 round stick. For testing, using titanium #2 shot.. Raped those bits of paper good! Says never needs cleaning. And zero recoil.. I would like to have a little, so would know that the stupid thing fired. Also.. Guy on Future Weapons is a freaking moron. Everything he finds is years and years old. Future is enegry based and EMLs, not big clunkly 12 gauges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
av8or 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Also.. Guy on Future Weapons is a freaking moron. Everything he finds is years and years old. Future is enegry based and EMLs, not big clunkly 12 gauges. and he can't go 2 minutes without saying when i was in the seals! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I just hate that show cause everything gets a glowing review. Like hes never heard of a weapon having a disadvantage. Yeah. And the guys kind of a jock/prick/ass to boot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eodinert 1 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 The US military did just get a new shotgun, but it's a straight pull single shot, not full auto. It's called the XM-26. Anybody heard the US actually bought that thing from any source other than the retard on futureweapons? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 The US military did just get a new shotgun, but it's a straight pull single shot, not full auto. It's called the XM-26. Anybody heard the US actually bought that thing from any source other than the retard on futureweapons? I spoke to them and they said the military isn't buying the AA-12 directly. They are mostly being sold to companies that are mounting them on remote controlled helicopters, planes and ground bots. The XM-26 can be a stand alone weapon but was mainly meant to be an under barrel mount for a rifle. It would open more ability for door breaching. It can also use the frag-12 rds. Did you notice that it takes saiga-12 mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Twinsen 86 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Must own full auto... anything. In CT we can't have selectfire anything, but we can have fullauto. If I could afford a greasegun, I'd have one already. I'd buy a fullauto Saiga if somebody made it. Because hey, at that point they'll already be pushing to DD it, so I might as well buy a few if that happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 It was my understanding that the XM-26 was semi-auto as opposed to a straight-pull. Might be wrong there, but it is one helluva compact package. Interesting that it takes saiga mags. Shows how hard it is to make a shotgun mag. Maybe someone should make an under-barrel mount for a s-12 shorty. Now that'd be one heavy combo! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 It was my understanding that the XM-26 was semi-auto as opposed to a straight-pull. Might be wrong there, but it is one helluva compact package. Interesting that it takes saiga mags. Shows how hard it is to make a shotgun mag. Maybe someone should make an under-barrel mount for a s-12 shorty. Now that'd be one heavy combo! Heavy, but BADASS!!! I thought of this for awhile. At the time we was talking about it people mentioned useing a sbr instead on the saiga-12 itself. I didn't really like the idea but now it is more appealing. 30rds of .223 up front would be a lot lighter than 20 12ga rds in the front Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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