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#1 louielouie

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 03:50 PM

I have never seen a front sight so "stuck"as my front sight is for windage.
I got the elevation perfect, but I can't budge the sight base to get the windage lined up.
I ordered one of the tools (looks like a square sided C-clamp) but I can't imagine a soldier not being able to
set his sights?

Has anyone changed the windage (right -left) on the sight without the tool?

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Edited by louielouie, 31 October 2007 - 04:58 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 04:30 PM

Some times it just takes a big hammer and a punch.
The tool you are getting may or may not work

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 08:33 PM

I use a brass hammer and a soft piece of wood to lay the sight across, like pine 1x.
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:34 PM

Bro common, you are going to adjust windage with a hammer and a punch. No wonder
the guns shoot all over. There goes the crap again of hammers , you can move
the sight that way, but to adjust the sight use the tool to get it were you want, that is why they made the tool
in the first place.

And no soldiers don't go adjusting windage with hammers and punches or just hammers.
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:50 PM

well, my AK shoots dead straight, and thats how I adjusted it, as well as a couple of other guy's. I didnt say pound the living shit out of it....

I suppose on a saiga with the painted finish on it, you could use anything to drive it over, so long as you protect the paint from the blows......
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 11:29 PM

I had a Chinese and one Romanian that broke the sight adjusting tool.
Now I move it with a hammer and punch, heat it up with a hair dryer, put Kroil on it and let it set over night.
If it doesn't move with the tool, out comes the hammer, punch, and a caliper.
Smack it and measure, smack it and measure.
You'll get it sooner or later.
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:37 AM

I'm with vjor on this one. If it won't budge then use some penetrating oil and a punch to get it started. But use the tool meant for the job for precise adjustments like sighting in. :rolleyes:

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:58 AM

Shooting 6” left at a 100 yards?
6”divided 100 yds or 3600 inches
= .0016 movement to the left for the front sight

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:00 AM

the tool is definately the better way to go, thats no doubt, but what do you do when you dont have one?
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:18 AM

the tool is definately the better way to go, thats no doubt, but what do you do when you dont have one?

You buy one.
Or you make one out of a socket, a bolt, and a C clamp.

Edited by Cobra 76 two, 31 October 2007 - 09:19 AM.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:18 AM

the tool is definately the better way to go, thats no doubt, but what do you do when you dont have one?

Post No 6 and post No 8
I've broken 2 FSA tools trying not to use a hammer.
Some times you gotta do, what you gotta do.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:32 AM

Like I said, nothing wrong with breaking it loose with a hammer. It's just easier to use the tool once you have it loosened up some.
Those old BAM POS sight tools are made of cheap steel and will bend easily and get off center where they won't work. I've broken them too. There are better ones out now.
Another thing is to be damned sure you have the hole on the opposite side lined up with the barrel in the sight or you are just cranking down on it and squeezing it till you screw up the sight tool.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 04:39 PM

I have adjusted my SigSauer at the range with a brass punch and hammer, and I paid well over $500 for the pistol.

Most sights that can be adjusted by "drifting" (what a pretty sounding word for hitting) the sight, will have a brass punch and hammer used. Even a gunsmith will drift sights the old fashioned way.

AHA!!
I pulled out the "service manual" I received with my 7.62 Sagia and on page 27 it says "To move the front sight base , knock it slightly with a hammer or use a special attachment."

There you go, it couldn't be clearer than that.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:31 PM

Guys do as you please, one thing, in this place few new guys know how to read a caliper
don't tell people to use a hammer or they just bang on things, by the way just because your move
the sight with a punch and a hammer on your pistol don't mean you have it on the money
but hey, who am I to tell any one how to do stuff. Is your guns not mine.

And yes I Soldier for almost 2 years on the jungles of Central America
and no we don't carry no hammers or punches to move sights
usually the armory did that, and yes the AK beats a lots of other guns
on the field specially when you are on the receiving end of the barrel.

Edited by vjor, 31 October 2007 - 08:36 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 08:23 AM

the tool is definately the better way to go, thats no doubt, but what do you do when you dont have one?

You buy one.
Or you make one out of a socket, a bolt, and a C clamp.



Cobra 76,

I was trying to use a c-clamp and socket on one side of the sight base. I couldn't come up with something to use on the opposite side of the base/clamp.

How did your's work?

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 08:39 AM

Guys do as you please, one thing, in this place few new guys know how to read a caliper
don't tell people to use a hammer or they just bang on things, by the way just because your move
the sight with a punch and a hammer on your pistol don't mean you have it on the money
but hey, who am I to tell any one how to do stuff. Is your guns not mine.

And yes I Soldier for almost 2 years on the jungles of Central America
and no we don't carry no hammers or punches to move sights
usually the armory did that, and yes the AK beats a lots of other guns
on the field specially when you are on the receiving end of the barrel.


Vjor,
I have been reading a caliper ever since I started reloading (over 20 years ago). I have never used it to set my sights. I used to set all my sights at the range based on where my groups were hitting. I fired 3-5 rounds and then moved sights a little, fired another 3-5 rounds and so on, until I had my point of impact the same as my point of aim.

Now I have a laser boresighter and I can set my sights at home without firing a shot. The laser is showing my point of impact is about 6 inches to the right at 20 yards on my Saiga. I know I need to move the front sight to the right, and here is where I can't do anything.

I agree with you that the AK47 is more gun for the money, but I don't have an armory to set my sights. I am the armory.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 10:26 AM

the sight will move a LOT easier if you crank the front sight post out a ways first, btw.
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 11:05 AM

the sight will move a LOT easier if you crank the front sight post out a ways first, btw.


By the time I read your posting I had already used the tool.

The only problem I had was the opening in the tool opposite the adjusting bolt. It was really close to the size of the base. The base got stuck on the adjusting tool opening.

I tried putting the tool opening on the end of the base and then turning it in circles (while on the base). Pretty quickly the tool removed the small amount of paint and was free to work as it should.

I was suprised at the amount of force it took to move the base. As soon as it started to bind, I released and started again. After 3 tries I got the base moved and the sights were lined up with my boresighter.

Now I need a range trip.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 06:31 PM

Now I need a range trip.

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I just got back from the range

WOW, my Saiga is shooting where I am aiming and I am getting 3-4 inch groups at 50 yards without any kind of support (I think it is called "free hand"). I was shooting Silver Bear. I have found the Silver Bear to be my favorite of all the Communist imported 7.62.

I know the rifle is capable of a lot better than that so the next time out I will bring my bench rest and get some really good ammo.

I am very surprised that my adjustment of the front sight was right the first time. It is shooting point of aim to point of impact , and it doesn't get any better than that.
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:25 PM

Guys do as you please, one thing, in this place few new guys know how to read a caliper
don't tell people to use a hammer or they just bang on things, by the way just because your move
the sight with a punch and a hammer on your pistol don't mean you have it on the money
but hey, who am I to tell any one how to do stuff. Is your guns not mine.

And yes I Soldier for almost 2 years on the jungles of Central America
and no we don't carry no hammers or punches to move sights
usually the armory did that, and yes the AK beats a lots of other guns
on the field specially when you are on the receiving end of the barrel.


Vjor,
I have been reading a caliper ever since I started reloading (over 20 years ago). I have never used it to set my sights. I used to set all my sights at the range based on where my groups were hitting. I fired 3-5 rounds and then moved sights a little, fired another 3-5 rounds and so on, until I had my point of impact the same as my point of aim.

Now I have a laser boresighter and I can set my sights at home without firing a shot. The laser is showing my point of impact is about 6 inches to the right at 20 yards on my Saiga. I know I need to move the front sight to the right, and here is where I can't do anything.

I agree with you that the AK47 is more gun for the money, but I don't have an armory to set my sights. I am the armory.

louielouie



I was not referring to you about the calipers reading just that a lot of people
read this posts and some don't have a clue and will miss understood
and fubar there stuff, any congrats on the shooting and yes the guns
can do good if you have a rest or rice, sand bags you can really tune that gun.

Another happy day at the range I see :D just like fishing the worst day at the range
is better that the best day at work.
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