GAS PISTON SETTING TO SHOOT 2.5 SHELLS ??

[MR.K 0]

Hi all...Just got my 410 ..with no book ..so .....When I push in the pin I can turn the gas ring a turn or to in either direction..how do I know where the 2.5 spot is. If I turn the ring all the way to the right so it's finger tight it comes about 1/3 turn from registeing (pin pop out) on # 2 .... so if I back it off... from finger tight, # 1 will lock if I loosen the ring about 1/4 turn ,so is that the 2.5 spot ? ..then if I loosen the ring another 1/2 turn (pin pop out) ,to the #2 spot ,is that the 3in shell spot...............thanks

[kresk 10,063]

Hi all...Just got my 410 ..with no book ..so .....When I push in the pin I can turn the gas ring a turn or to in either direction..how do I know where the 2.5 spot is. If I turn the ring all the way to the right so it's finger tight it comes about 1/3 turn from registeing (pin pop out) on # 2 .... so if I back it off... from finger tight, # 1 will lock if I loosen the ring about 1/4 turn ,so is that the 2.5 spot ? ..then if I loosen the ring another 1/2 turn (pin pop out) ,to the #2 spot ,is that the 3in shell spot...............thanks

When you back out from finger tight the first number you come to is the setting for which ever number it comes to first. In your case it sounds like setting #1. Back out a little further and it sounds like you then get to #2. You should alternate only between these two positions and not back out any further. Setting #2 is for low brass shells (light loads) and #1 for high brass (heavier loads.) See here for additional info: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=262

[Psee 0]

Hi all...Just got my 410 ..with no book ..so .....When I push in the pin I can turn the gas ring a turn or to in either direction..how do I know where the 2.5 spot is. If I turn the ring all the way to the right so it's finger tight it comes about 1/3 turn from registeing (pin pop out) on # 2 .... so if I back it off... from finger tight, # 1 will lock if I loosen the ring about 1/4 turn ,so is that the 2.5 spot ? ..then if I loosen the ring another 1/2 turn (pin pop out) ,to the #2 spot ,is that the 3in shell spot...............thanks

When you back out from finger tight the first number you come to is the setting for which ever number it comes to first. In your case it sounds like setting #1. Back out a little further and it sounds like you then get to #2. You should alternate only between these two positions and not back out any further. Setting #2 is for low brass shells (light loads) and #1 for high brass (heavier loads.) See here for additional info: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=262

 

Also a newb here. My 410 (still in the box ) is set for 2 but the manual indicates only 3" magnum shells are to be used with the supplied magazine. So If buy the 3" high brass shells at my local Wallyworld I'll neet to set it 1? I'm also confused about the "magnum" term. I can't find any shells online or at my local Bass Pro store that indicate magnum, just low brass or high brass.

 

Any help appreciated.

[kresk 10,063]

I'd take high brass to imply heavier loads.

[MR.K 0]

You also have to have 2.5 mags as 2.5's wont feed right in a 3in. mag

[turbo1889 1]

Okay, for the newbies (I was one as well not long ago):

 

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~Magnum vs. Non-Magnum

~~~~Technically for the .410ga. "magnum" means a 3" shell with a heavy hunting load at maximum safe pressure.

~~~~Realistically "magnum" means a shell that will cycle the action on the more constricted #1 setting.

~~~~General "rule of thumb" = 3" shells are magnum and 2-1/2" shells are non-magnum for the .410ga. There is the occasional exceptions to the rule that you should mentally note for further refrence. For example my gun will cycle the Federal brand 2-1/2" slugs on the magnum setting. In addition guns are all slightly different from one to the other of the same model and where as yours may cycle one shell on a certain setting mine won't or visa versa.

~~~~Best policy, is to attempt to fire a clip full of a specific shell through your gun on the magnum setting (#1) and if the action does not fully cycle or jambs up then switch to the non-magnum setting (#2). A magnum shell will cycle on both the magnum and non-magnum settings but using it with the non-magnum setting works the action extra hard and increases the wear and tear on your gun over time.

~~~~If you leave your Saiga-410 loaded next to the bed-side leave it on the non-magnum (#2) setting. It will thus cycle any shell you put in it. Yes, it will be a little harder on the gun, but not enough to worry about in a fire-fight and will actually help make sure you get no jams. You don't want to be fiddling with the gas piston setting when someone is shooting at you !!!!

 

~Specific info on Saiga-410 Gas Piston Settings

~~~~ Setting #1 is for magnum shells. This setting constricts the gas flow slightly to save wear and tear on the guns action when using magnum shells.

~~~~ Setting #2 is for lighter shells (including the vast majority of 2-1/2" shells). This setting eliminates the constriction and is "wide open throttle."

~~~~ Specific graphical illustration of the two settings:

 

~Specific info on using 2-1/2" shells in Saiga-410

~~~~Must have adjustable gas valve or limit yourself to 2-1/2" loads hot enough to work the action --- the only hot factory load I know of is the Federal brand slugs and they may not work for every gun like they do for mine.

~~~~ For standard 3" mag it is possible to load and fire two (2) of the shorter shells. Load the mag with a single shell. Put the mag in the gun and work the action to chamber the round. Turn safety on and remove the mag and again load a single round. Replace the mag and you will have one shell in the chamber and one in the mag. At least on my gun this single 2-1/2" shell in a 3" mag will feed correctly for a second shot.

~~~~ Get yourself a dedicated 2-1/2" mag. Here is a link to where I bought mine and it works great: http://www.armsofamerica.com/magazines/saigamags.html -- mag for 410 2-1/2" shells is the forth one down on the page.

[roknrandy 0]

hhmm..I have always had mine set on 1. All I shoot is 2-3/4" silver/golden bear shells (slugs and #4 buckshot) never had a cylce problem. I did have a box of 2-1/2" that I had to feed manually. Next time I go to the range I'll switch it and try #2.

 

nice post turbo!

[BobAsh 582]

Nice pic! I'll save that for use with teh noobs, if you don't mind.

[turbo1889 1]

Nice pic! I'll save that for use with teh noobs, if you don't mind.

 

 

Thanks for the compliment. I don't own a dig. camera so I'm getting pretty good with MS-paint.