Pre-1998 Saiga rifles can legally use high capacity mags without 922r

[akdog 3]

parts compliance provided they have not been modified to do so after the 1998 import-high-capacity ban.

Additional mods like pistol grips, flash hiders, and folding stocks are only exempt if such modifications were performed before Nov 1990. However, high capacity mags are legal to use in pre-1998 rifles provided the rifle was not modified to accept the mag after the 1998 ban inactment date.

 

 

 

 

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel...tf_letter26.txt

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel...tf_letter24.txt

Edited November 19, 2007 by dog

[24kshooter 0]

parts compliance provided they have not been modified to do so after the 1998 import-high-capacity ban.

Additional mods like pistol grips, flash hiders, and folding stocks are only exempt if such modifications were performed before Nov 1990. However, high capacity mags are legal to use in pre-1998 rifles provided the rifle was not modified to accept the mag after the 1998 ban inactment date.

 

 

 

 

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel...tf_letter26.txt

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel...tf_letter24.txt

 

Exactually how many pre-1990 Saigas have you seen ? - if fact how many pre-1998 Saigas have you seen ?

[akdog 3]

parts compliance provided they have not been modified to do so after the 1998 import-high-capacity ban.

Additional mods like pistol grips, flash hiders, and folding stocks are only exempt if such modifications were performed before Nov 1990. However, high capacity mags are legal to use in pre-1998 rifles provided the rifle was not modified to accept the mag after the 1998 ban inactment date.

 

 

 

 

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel...tf_letter26.txt

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel...tf_letter24.txt

 

Exactually how many pre-1990 Saigas have you seen ? - if fact how many pre-1998 Saigas have you seen ?

 

Pre-1990 The fall of the iron curtain happened too late for the pre 1990 Saigas, therefore, no exempted models are in the states.

 

Pre - 1998 I'm not sure the exact number, but I am sure there are plenty of them in circulation.

IIRC all B-west and Hesse imports are pre-1998

Edited November 24, 2007 by dog

[Gunz4Fun 0]

This doesn't even cover or mention factory hicap mags...

[akdog 3]

This doesn't even cover or mention factory hicap mags...

 

Quoted

 

September 4, 1997

 

1. Is it allowable to use high capacity magazines (i.e. 20 round,

30 round, 75 round) in semiautomatic rifles currently being

imported into this country (i.e. Bulgarian SLR-95, Egyptian

Maadi ARM, Romanian WUM-1, Century Arms FAL Sporters)?

 

2. If a semiautomatic rifle was imported after 1989, does the

date of import of a semiautomatic rifle have any bearing on

the legality using high capacity magazines in the imported

semiautomatic rifle? If so, please provide the criteria for

determining which configuration would be allowable or examples

of allowable configurations.

 

Answer:

 

A large capacity magazine having a capacity of more than 10 rounds

can be used in any semiautomatic rifle (documented in 1997)

 

 

Keep in mind the import-high-capacity Clinton ban did not come around untill 1998.

Until his 1998 gun control measure, high capacity(imports) ability was not a restricted issue as long as the magazines themselves were made before 1994.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...;pagewanted=all

 

CLINTON TO IMPOSE A BAN ON 58 TYPES OF IMPORTED GUNS

 

 

By JOHN M. BRODER

Published: April 6, 1998

 

The Clinton Administration plans to announce on Monday that it will permanently ban imports of 58 types of military-style assault weapons, blocking the entry of more than a million high-powered guns into the United States, White House officials said today.

 

The action follows a 120-day review of import permit applications for foreign-made guns to determine whether the weapons meet an exemption to United States gun laws allowing weapons that can be used for sport.

 

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, part of the Treasury Department, found that the 58 assault-type guns to be banned cannot be classified as sporting weapons and therefore are banned under a 1968 gun-control law.

 

Although the review has been under way for months, and the White House announcement has been scheduled for several weeks, President Clinton wanted to underscore the Government action in the wake of the schoolyard killings in Jonesboro, Ark., which occurred while he was touring Africa.

 

Aides said the President was angered and heartsick at the deaths by gunfire of four children and a teacher in his home state and wanted to make a meaningful public statement on gun violence soon after his return from Africa. The weapons used in the Jonesboro shootings, however, were handguns and hunting rifles that would not be subject to the new action.

 

The National Rifle Association and a trade group representing weapons importers assailed the proposed Presidential decree as a further encroachment on the rights of gun owners. They promised to seek relief in Congress and in the courts. Some anti-gun groups, for their part, said the decree would not go far enough.

 

''We're not happy,'' said Tanya Metaksa, chief lobbyist for the rifle association. ''He's done exactly what he said he would do -- bend the law as far as he could to ban as many guns as he could. These guns were modified to meet the criteria of his own gun ban and now he says the criteria are not good enough and he is modifying them.''

 

Ms. Metaksa said thousands of weapons had already been imported and paid for and had been stored in United States Customs warehouses awaiting the Treasury Department's ruling.

 

''Hundreds of importers will be completely out of pocket,'' she said. ''You can't return a firearm the way you can return a shirt to Macy's.''

 

Mark J. Barnes, a lawyer representing the Firearms Importers Roundtable Trade Group, an association of about a dozen weapons importers, called Mr. Clinton's action ''an abuse of Presidential authority'' that circumvents earlier laws. Mr. Barnes said that importers would go to Congress to limit the President's power to declare certain guns illegal.

 

Mr. Barnes also said his group might mount a court challenge to Monday's directive on statutory or Congressional grounds.

 

Mr. Clinton plans to announce the import ban at a morning ceremony in the Rose Garden accompanied by Treasury Secretary Robert E. Rubin, Attorney General Janet Reno, gun-control advocates and representatives of law-enforcement agencies, officials said.

 

''This is building on his record of passing the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban of 1994,'' said Rahm Emanuel, senior adviser to the President. ''This is a piece of the Administration's overall, comprehensive anti-crime strategy.''

 

The Brady Bill, named for President Ronald Reagan's press secretary, James Brady, who was grievously wounded in the assassination attempt on Mr. Reagan in 1981, imposes a five-day waiting period for handgun purchases. The law took effect in February 1994.

 

Among the weapons to be banned are various models of the AK-47, Uzi, FN/FAL, HK-91 and HK-93 and the Sig-550. All use large-capacity magazines capable of loading and firing in quick succession, according to a fact sheet published by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. One of the 59 guns under review will apparently be approved for import.

 

The rifles had been banned by the Bush Administration in 1989 and again under Mr. Clinton's assault weapons ban of 1994. But foreign manufacturers modified the weapons slightly to avoid the ban and applied for hundreds of thousands of import permits before Mr. Clinton imposed a temporary ban in November, pending the 120-day review.

 

Applications for modified assault-weapon imports skyrocketed last fall in anticipation of the Administration's move to ban them. On Oct. 9, 1997, there were permits pending for 10,000 such weapons. By mid-November, the backlog had jumped to more than a million.

 

Federal law allows gun dealers to appeal import restrictions for particular weapons, and it is expected that some versions of the banned guns ultimately will find their way legally into the country.

 

Some gun-control advocates criticized the Administration's planned action on that basis, saying that the Government should move to ban military-style weapons as a class.

 

''We have been urging the Administration to write a rule that can be applied to any assault-type gun, to keep out so-called sporterized weapons,'' said Kristen Rand, director of Federal policy at the anti-gun Violence Policy Center in Washington.

 

She was referring to assault weapons that have been slightly modified in appearance to try to meet the sporting weapon exemption of the import law. For example, some manufacturers have removed the clip used to attach a bayonet to the gun.

 

''The A.T.F. is taking a gun-by-gun approach, asking whether it can be used for sporting purposes,'' Ms. Rand said. ''Unless there is a rule that can guide all future decisions on weapons, we don't think it's going to work.''

 

Mr. Clinton frequently cites passage of the Brady Bill and the 1994 assault weapons ban as signal achievements of his Administration. The assault weapons law applies to the domestic manufacture, sale and possession of 19 types of assault weapons. It also bans the domestic manufacture and sale of semiautomatic weapons with certain military characteristics, such as a pistol grip that allows the user to shoot rapidly from the hip.

 

In 1989, President George Bush banned imports of AK-47's and other semiautomatic assault rifles after a gunman opened fire with an AK-47 on a crowded schoolyard in Stockton, Calif., killing five children. After a three-month review, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms banned the import of 43 types of weapons, including AK-47's.

 

But manufacturers later altered the design and appearance of many of the banned weapons, leading the Government to take the action that will be announced on Monday.

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Edited November 28, 2007 by dog